Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Harryflashman]

Many European countries are beginning to come out of lockdown, however, they already had robust systems in place and acted much sooner on what now appears to be better leaders acting on better expert evidence, but not to worry we have more money in our pockets.

oh no argument we’ve handled it badly and it seems that our pm may have taken the trump approach of simply ignoring the problem .

clearly questions need asking and answers need to be given and to be examined .

 

[The binman chronicles]

This is probably my stupidity I assume here but it’s not going away is it ? 15,000 people a day landing in the Uk which we can assume will hugely increase whenever the lockdown is eased even slightly . No vaccine and huge swathes of the population as yet uninfected not to mention the current discussions as to whether being infected actually provides any immunity .

All we’ve done , as I understand it , Is provide a gap for the nhs to not go under and allow treatment for those who need it without us being overwhelmed. So do we continue this indefinitely? I’m not advocating we just sack it but frankly the economy is going to fold in on itself in a relatively short time and that also carries implications as well . We’ve got people dying at home not to mention cancer patients missing appointments and treatment and big companies are going under even with furlough , once it stops unemployment is going through the roof . The indefinite extension of this just doesn’t feel viable frankly .

Of course it can't continue indefinitely, but we need the number of new cases and deaths to have stalled significantly first else if it explodes again, as soon as it overwhelms the NHS they'll have no choice but to implement a full lockdown again and you go right back to square one and this period would have been for very little.

Also is 3-5 weeks enough time to have built up significant stocks of PPE, ventilators and have enough staff back who are then immune to the virus to cope after the lockdown. I would have guessed say middle of June would have been a safer bet, even July after the kids are off school anyhow as I can't see how you can contain a virus when you have kids gathering in large groups and then going home and being with extended family thereafter.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

@davek has adopted it and it`s now called Mao.

Dave's cat is called Chairman Meow and he only drinks earl grey. Because proper tea is theft

 

[daza_1973]

@davek has adopted it and it`s now called Mao.

Dave's cat is called Chairman Meow and he only drinks earl grey. Because proper tea is theft

That's wong in so many ways.

 

[Harryflashman]

Of course it can't continue indefinitely, but we need the number of new cases and deaths to have stalled significantly first else if it explodes again, as soon as it overwhelms the NHS they'll have no choice but to implement a full lockdown again and you go right back to square one and this period would have been for very little.

Also is 3-5 weeks enough time to have built up significant stocks of PPE, ventilators and have enough staff back who are then immune to the virus to cope after the lockdown. I would have guessed say middle of June would have been a safer bet, even July after the kids are off school anyhow as I can't see how you can contain a virus when you have kids gathering in large groups and then going home and being with extended family thereafter.

listen I don’t really disagree with that but like has been said today and like has been leaked for over a week I think we’ll see gradual relaxation building to more .

Personally I think the government lack any real plan so are in a panic and are lurching from idea to idea trying to find a solution that suits economically, socially and most importantly tackles the pandemic .

probably a stupid analogy but This whole situation reminds me of the Iraq war , we’ve got into a situation without any real idea what the exit strategy is . The real damage isn’t so much caused by the initial intentions but by the failure to have any real plan of what to do next .

 

[Chewbacca]

I really don’t understand the hate for Bill Gates. He seems to have become the new George Soros

He’s a liberal with lots of money. It’s against gods law

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Of course it can't continue indefinitely, but we need the number of new cases and deaths to have stalled significantly first else if it explodes again, as soon as it overwhelms the NHS they'll have no choice but to implement a full lockdown again and you go right back to square one and this period would have been for very little.

Also is 3-5 weeks enough time to have built up significant stocks of PPE, ventilators and have enough staff back who are then immune to the virus to cope after the lockdown. I would have guessed say middle of June would have been a safer bet, even July after the kids are off school anyhow as I can't see how you can contain a virus when you have kids gathering in large groups and then going home and being with extended family thereafter.

Somewhere there will be a number of deaths worked out that will be tolerated by the public, collateral damage, once we get to that figure we will see some movement.
Of course had we acted sooner we also could have been looking at easing restrictions now. Prudence used to be a thing...

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

You’re trusting all people to wipe down machines, dumbbells, mats etc. which is just risky IMO.

Or trusting them to use hand sanitizer or wipe down before they use.

Appealing to selfishness always works better

 

[Harryflashman]

You’re trusting all people to wipe down machines, dumbbells, mats etc. which is just risky IMO.

given that putting the free weights back or stripping a bar often proves a bridge too far for most of them I’d consider it risky personally .

 

[The binman chronicles]

listen I don’t really disagree with that but like has been said today and like has been leaked for over a week I think we’ll see gradual relaxation building to more .

Personally I think the government lack any real plan so are in a panic and are lurching from idea to idea trying to find a solution that suits economically, socially and most importantly tackles the pandemic .

probably a stupid analogy but This whole situation reminds me of the Iraq war , we’ve got into a situation without any real idea what the exit strategy is . The real damage isn’t so much caused by the initial intentions but by the failure to have any real plan of what to do next .

I expect they were hoping to see a dramatic dropdown in the numbers after a month or so enabling more options to come out of this.

If we could get in place proper track and testing after the lockdown then hopefully you can stop the explosion of cases like when it first hit these shores. They should be looking at countries who handled this well (South Korea) and try to replicate how they handled this. To do that though I would have said we need a period of tougher restrictions for a period of 3 or so weeks so the number of cases you start from are as low as possible. Unpopular I know.

 

[Jebus_lives]

@TX Bill and chums running round Texas with rifles trying to gun down the virus I suspect.

'any Commie virus come near me, it's gonna git the full force of my 2nd Amendment rights'

 

[Harryflashman]

I expect they were hoping to see a dramatic dropdown in the numbers after a month or so enabling more options to come out of this.

If we could get in place proper track and testing after the lockdown then hopefully you can stop the explosion of cases like when it first hit these shores. They should be looking at countries who handled this well (South Korea) and try to replicate how they handled this. To do that though I would have said we need a period of tougher restrictions for a period of 3 or so weeks so the number of cases you start from are as low as possible. Unpopular I know.

there is that word again , in my worthless opinion one of the biggest failures in our attempts to tackle this problem .

 

[Walken]

I expect they were hoping to see a dramatic dropdown in the numbers after a month or so enabling more options to come out of this.

If we could get in place proper track and testing after the lockdown then hopefully you can stop the explosion of cases like when it first hit these shores. They should be looking at countries who handled this well (South Korea) and try to replicate how they handled this. To do that though I would have said we need a period of tougher restrictions for a period of 3 or so weeks so the number of cases you start from are as low as possible. Unpopular I know.

If we haven't used this time (and it really doesn't look like we have) to be ready to implement a testing and contact tracing system, then coming out of a lockdown is going to be a lot harder for us. The experts across the globe seem to be united in stating that without this further waves will be much harder to control

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Belgium lockdown extended until May the 3rd but with some restrictions lifted... the ones they cant enforce, mainly.

Odd as it seems that our numbers are the same as a week ago, but it is what it is.

My girlfriend is back in work tomorrow as the school are offering to feed, entertain and yes even teach the kids of those who have to work. Shes not happy.

 

[Jebus_lives]

The below is from a science journal, before reading consider how ultra-quickly the chinese government built those temporary hospitals. That's not an action normally associated with the very beginnings of a naturally-occuring flu-like illness doing its initial rounds. Also consider how it's generally accepted they've not been telling us the whole story, and only recently admitting 50% more deaths, they're not sharing information like we would like them to. Consider the vlogs of people like Winston Serpentza, which show the chinese government encouraging a very different news ethic to what we have here in the West.

The rest of the Live Science piece does not consider there to be evidence of an intentional man-made virus leak, but there is room for a virus that was being researched there to have leaked, perhaps accidentally.

Full article here, choice quote below:

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The Wuhan Institute of Virology lab, along with researchers in the U.S. and Switzerland, showed in 2015 the scary capability of bat coronaviruses to thrive in human cells. In that paper, which was published in 2015 in the journal Nature Medicine, they described how they had created a chimeric SARS-like virus out of the surface spike protein of a coronavirus found in horseshoe bats, called SHC014, and the backbone of a SARS virus that could be grown in mice. The idea was to look at the potential of coronaviruses circulating in bat populations to infect humans. In a lab dish, the chimeric coronavirus could infect and replicate in primary human airway cells; the virus also was able to infect lung cells in mice.

That study was met with some pushback from researchers who considered the risk of that kind of research to outweigh the benefits. Simon Wain-Hobson, a virologist at the Pasteur Institute in Paris, was one of those scientists. Wain-Hobson emphasized the fact that this chimeric virus "grows remarkably well" in human cells, adding that "If the virus escaped, nobody could predict the trajectory," Nature News reported.
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Didn't they build them in roughly the same amount of time as the Nightingale Hospitals?