Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[dholliday]

That video I linked goes conspiratorial on Bill Gates Foundation's vaccine plans...and it did link Bill himself saying his vaccines will reduce the world's population. That's not how vaccines should work, of course, so either Bill misspoke or...

in the interests of balance, Snopes explained what Bill meant as a counter to the concerns expressed in ginge's video.

To be honest, I don't think there'll be much Covid-19 vaccine-pushback when it eventually arrives...most people are playing ball and will trust it.

 

[RAFUH]

The below is from a science journal, before reading consider how ultra-quickly the chinese government built those temporary hospitals. That's not an action normally associated with the very beginnings of a naturally-occuring flu-like illness doing its initial rounds. Also consider how it's generally accepted they've not been telling us the whole story, and only recently admitting 50% more deaths, they're not sharing information like we would like them to. Consider the vlogs of people like Winston Serpentza, which show the chinese government encouraging a very different news ethic to what we have here in the West.

The rest of the Live Science piece does not consider there to be evidence of an intentional man-made virus leak, but there is room for a virus that was being researched there to have leaked, perhaps accidentally.

Full article here, choice quote below:

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The Wuhan Institute of Virology lab, along with researchers in the U.S. and Switzerland, showed in 2015 the scary capability of bat coronaviruses to thrive in human cells. In that paper, which was published in 2015 in the journal Nature Medicine, they described how they had created a chimeric SARS-like virus out of the surface spike protein of a coronavirus found in horseshoe bats, called SHC014, and the backbone of a SARS virus that could be grown in mice. The idea was to look at the potential of coronaviruses circulating in bat populations to infect humans. In a lab dish, the chimeric coronavirus could infect and replicate in primary human airway cells; the virus also was able to infect lung cells in mice.

That study was met with some pushback from researchers who considered the risk of that kind of research to outweigh the benefits. Simon Wain-Hobson, a virologist at the Pasteur Institute in Paris, was one of those scientists. Wain-Hobson emphasized the fact that this chimeric virus "grows remarkably well" in human cells, adding that "If the virus escaped, nobody could predict the trajectory," Nature News reported.
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It also has this

When reports of the coronavirus first popped up in China, the U.S. Deputy National Security Advisor Matthew Pottinger reportedly suspected a potential link to China labs. In mid-January, according to a New York Times report, Pottinger asked intelligence agencies like the C.I.A., particularly individuals with expertise on Asia and weapons of mass destruction, to investigate this idea. They came up empty-handed, the Times reported.

And the part you quote is not surprising. Researchers study lots of scary viruses.

We may never no the source for certain, but there is no evidence at this time to support it is lab made - only speculation. There is evidence and general consensus that it is natural mutation.

 

[Piijt]

I really don’t understand the hate for Bill Gates. He seems to have become the new George Soros

 

[LinekersLegs]

The below is from a science journal, before reading consider how ultra-quickly the chinese government built those temporary hospitals. That's not an action normally associated with the very beginnings of a naturally-occuring flu-like illness doing its initial rounds. Also consider how it's generally accepted they've not been telling us the whole story, and only recently admitting 50% more deaths, they're not sharing information like we would like them to. Consider the vlogs of people like Winston Serpentza, which show the chinese government encouraging a very different news ethic to what we have here in the West.

The rest of the Live Science piece does not consider there to be evidence of an intentional man-made virus leak, but there is room for a virus that was being researched there to have leaked, perhaps accidentally.

Full article here, choice quote below:

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The Wuhan Institute of Virology lab, along with researchers in the U.S. and Switzerland, showed in 2015 the scary capability of bat coronaviruses to thrive in human cells. In that paper, which was published in 2015 in the journal Nature Medicine, they described how they had created a chimeric SARS-like virus out of the surface spike protein of a coronavirus found in horseshoe bats, called SHC014, and the backbone of a SARS virus that could be grown in mice. The idea was to look at the potential of coronaviruses circulating in bat populations to infect humans. In a lab dish, the chimeric coronavirus could infect and replicate in primary human airway cells; the virus also was able to infect lung cells in mice.

That study was met with some pushback from researchers who considered the risk of that kind of research to outweigh the benefits. Simon Wain-Hobson, a virologist at the Pasteur Institute in Paris, was one of those scientists. Wain-Hobson emphasized the fact that this chimeric virus "grows remarkably well" in human cells, adding that "If the virus escaped, nobody could predict the trajectory," Nature News reported.
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I fully agree that China are not being as forthcoming as we’d like and actively hid the situation for a long time.

However I am unclear how the speed of building a hospital indicates anything about the origin or genetic make-up of the virus - to me it indicates the severity of the outbreak and infrastructure capability. New York had their first confirmed case in early March, later in the month the Javids centre was converted into a 1200 bed hospital in 4 days, a much faster timeline than Wuhan. However Washington state, despite having the first confirmed US case much earlier in January and a major nursing home outbreak never built a temporary hospital because their other hospitals weren’t overwhelmed.

I also feel your choice quote from the article is very speculative compared to the following segments of the article, particularly the bolded bit which is consistent with the Sydney professor I quoted earlier in the thread.

That may rule out deliberate genetic engineering, but what about other scenarios that point to bats as the natural hosts, but WIV as the source of the outbreak?

Although researchers will likely continue to sample and sequence coronaviruses in bats to determine the origin of SARS-CoV-2, "you can't answer this question through genomics alone," said Dr. Alex Greninger, an assistant professor in the Department of Laboratory Medicine and an assistant director of the Clinical Virology Laboratory at the University of Washington Medical Center. That's because it's impossible to definitively tell whether SARS-CoV-2 emerged from a lab or from nature based on genetics alone. For this reason, it's really important to know which coronaviruses were being studied at WIV. "It really comes down to what was in the lab," Greninger told Live Science.

However, Lauring said that based on the Nature Medicine paper, "the SARS-CoV-2 virus has some key differences in specific genes relative to previously identified coronaviruses — the ones a laboratory would be working with. This constellation of changes makes it unlikely that it is the result of a laboratory 'escape,'" he said.

Could it have escaped, sure, but those who have expertise in the area don’t seem to think so with the data on hand to date.

 

[dholliday]

It also has this

When reports of the coronavirus first popped up in China, the U.S. Deputy National Security Advisor Matthew Pottinger reportedly suspected a potential link to China labs. In mid-January, according to a New York Times report, Pottinger asked intelligence agencies like the C.I.A., particularly individuals with expertise on Asia and weapons of mass destruction, to investigate this idea. They came up empty-handed, the Times reported.

And the part you quote is not surprising. Researchers study lots of scary viruses.

We may never know the source for certain, but there is no evidence at this time to support it is lab made - only speculation. There is evidence and general consensus that it is natural mutation.

Aye, we may only ever have speculation as to its origins:
a) natural mutation of bat/pangolin/sars-1, studied in the lab but not modified, that infected an assistant, who was asymptomatic and went to the wet markets nearby, from whence it spread.
or
b) The wet markets in Wuhan may have had nothing to do with it, and ergo neither did the nearby lab, but that it came from certain bats who are active a thousand miles away, and someone asymptomatic from there brought it to Wuhan.
or
c) the most-accepted speculation: that it came from mutated viruses from live animal feed of bats/pangolins at the Wuhan wet markets.

As the very final scene of the clever film Contagion showed us, it could be a random animal encounter, something impossible to trace back entirely.

 

[Prevenger17]

in the interests of balance, Snopes explained what Bill meant as a counter to the concerns expressed in ginge's video.

To be honest, I don't think there'll be much Covid-19 vaccine-pushback when it eventually arrives...most people are playing ball and will trust it.

Lol nope

 

[LinekersLegs]

Wow, single figures for S Korea new cases. Could be weekend reporting lag but still impressive progress from their peak.

 

[dholliday]

I really don’t understand the hate for Bill Gates. He seems to have become the new George Soros

Soros funds Greta (in case anyone was wondering how she gets to speak at the UN and gets audiences with heads of state etc).

some of Bill's vaccines have done some real damage, personally I believe not intentionally...but damage all the same.

The concern is rich philanthropists playing god, with good intentions perhaps, but still playing god. That's mostly the basis for the Bill hate: he's unelected yet like Soros wields more power and influence than elected heads of state.

 

[Prevenger17]

Why is it so taboo to consider that the virus might have originated in a lab? I'm picking up a weird vibe, tbh. lol

I'm not ruling it out, it's just that any suggestions of it being a lab based disease weapon seem to coincidentally come from bellends. If @LinekersLegs puts the motion forward I'll probs take it more seriously

 

[dholliday]

I'm not ruling it out, it's just that any suggestions of it being a lab based disease weapon seem to coincidentally come from bellends. If @LinekersLegs puts the motion forward I'll probs take it more seriously

not a weapon, but accidental-leak of a natural mutation appears to be the realistic candidate from that particular conspiracy sector.

Weapon is very fringe, like those who believe lizards planned 9/11.

 

[LinekersLegs]

I'm not ruling it out, it's just that any suggestions of it being a lab based disease weapon seem to coincidentally come from bellends. If @LinekersLegs puts the motion forward I'll probs take it more seriously

*briefly considers setting up a grifter “pay $x to find the TRUTH on the coronavirus and what the scientists aren’t telling you“ website, realises am way too lazy and goes to top up wineglass...

 

[Prevenger17]

*briefly considers setting up a grifter “pay $x to find the TRUTH on the coronavirus and what the scientists aren’t telling you“ website, realises am way too lazy and goes to top up wineglass...

Legs. You know this already, but I'll believe anything you tell me

 

[LinekersLegs]

Legs. You know this already, but I'll believe anything you tell me

We’re signing Messi in the summer

 

[Prevenger17]

We’re signing Messi in the summer

*craps himself sincerely

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Really disgusting peice of reporting by BBC its only in the last last week the Government have mentioned the caveat of COVIDS deaths, in that they don't include Care/Nursing home or at home deaths, it's just simply a lie Minister's have regularly explained this.

'Ministers have regularly explained that this is because the hospital figures can be quickly collated and released, enabling their experts to analyse trends to help them advise on how the UK is coping with the virus'.

Coronavirus: Care home deaths 'far higher' than official figures

A new report suggests deaths in residential care linked to Covid-19 could have doubled over a month.

www.bbc.co.uk

Sooner this outfit funding is pulled the better.