Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Goat]

 

[arminisgod]

How would that work with social distancing in place?

Because for all the blufter from Scientists about it...Governments will soon need $$$$ and deaths will become acceptable whilst health care systems can cope. Plus 3 months is a long time... drugs that actually treat it will become available

 

[whiteshadow]

There needs to be a really good demographic and geographic sample as I suspect Cities have been hit much harder than rural areas.

There needs to be at least 2/3 million tests taken.

Yeah, will be interesting to see how they do it when they manage to get hold of some working tests.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Well they said less than 20,000 deaths a few weeks back would be a positive.

Germany's figures are still a bit odd. They've done a lot better in terms of deaths than us obviously but they weren't counting the deaths of those with underlying conditions at first, for example, which could have been a big number. I do think that changed mind.

Basically, like people know that the UK's figures aren't 100% because of stuff like care homes/hospices etc, we can't just all take other countries' at face value either. There's far too many factors.

In the end the mortality rate of people who go into hospital with this thing isn't good anywhere in the world - it's like 7-10% average.

But the vast majority of people who have it aren't getting tested and the a lot of those won't have known they even had it for sure.

But doctors are being told to put suspected CV-19 on the death certificate in cases where the deceased has shown symptoms.

I know there's a craving for by the minute upto date exact information in this country, but when this thing all settles down the real figures will come out.

I see they want to start testing people in nursing homes and I wouldn't be surprised the percentage with CV-19 on the death certificates actually went down.

I still don't understand why we can't keep a separate running total of CV-19 deaths in the community though, even if it's only updated on a weekly basis. The authorities need to be more transparent on this

 

[COYBL25]

If restaurants are to open, I'd imagine it's a take away service to start with? I think schools will be one of the first followed by barber shops, hairdressers and then hopefully get the gyms open.

The restaurants by me have been doing takeaway since day one, admittedly some are now only doing it at the weekends.

 

[evilwebby]

I just don't get how they can come out with straight faces and tell everyone it's all going according to their original plan. Meeting all their targets etc.
They must have had truly abysmal targets set if so.

It is Germany which is the outlier here, though, not the UK. Our deaths per population is tracking approximately the same as most other European countries at this stage.

And it’s not our lack of ICU beds, because we remain well below capacity.

We’ll have to wait for a thorough analysis why death rates are so different between various countries that have had similar policy responses. We’d all love to have Germany’s survival rates, but unless you can explain exactly why it’s the case then you’re deviating from expert advice with what amounts to guesswork.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

KFC opening and doing a delivery service!

EDIT: Only in certain areas though.

 

[BlueToff]

In Germany it's advised for shops and public transport...which is to say if you're out and about that means keeping them on from home to destination back to home.

Everybody should wear one. If the advice came from government, we all would.

As said, we're not getting that advice - advice being issued across many/most western societies now - because these butchers are still carrying on their eugenics via the back door. They never gave up on that herd immunity strategy. The utter scum.

Because, frankly, that is the only viable solution to this? One way or the other there has to be immunity in the population or we wouldn't be able to leave our houses ever - because any disease could kill us.

I agree with you on the rest - if they advised it people would but then again people are anyway. Like I wear gloves whenever I go in the supermarket/shop (very rare) and my Dad will wear a mask and gloves etc.

But in terms of beating this virus the only way to do it is for people to be immune to it one way or the other. Until there's a vaccine - and that could be a year off - then what is there to be done?

More people are going to die from the repercussions of the reaction to this virus than the virus itself anyway unless there's a vaccine in the next few months.

But all of the above doesn't mean I'm happy with our useless government. I think, know, they should be doing more. But in terms of general strategy surely the only long-term one is for people to be immune?

 

[BlueToff]

But doctors are being told to put suspected CV-19 on the death certificate in cases where the deceased has shown symptoms.

I know there's a craving for by the minute upto date exact information in this country, but when this thing all settles down the real figures will come out.

I see they want to start testing people in nursing homes and I wouldn't be surprised the percentage with CV-19 on the death certificates actually went down.

I still don't understand why we can't keep a separate running total of CV-19 deaths in the community though, even if it's only updated on a weekly basis. The authorities need to be more transparent on this

Yeh I don't disagree mate. Just know there's loads of factors. The sad reality is these are people's lives and that's awful.

 

[PITA]

Sofas I believe, which may explain why he finds it so hard to go home and stay on his. It's like people who work in cake shops, they can't stand cakes outside of work.

LOL.

 

[BlueToff]

Yeah you've got a point I was probably overreacting a little bit. Shouldn't have got on the old high horse so much, you never know when you might unexpectedly need help I guess. But still. If I felt the need to approach a stranger for something at this time, I would fully expect to get the reaction you got from that couple. And she wasn't 5m away from me. Barely 1.5-2. I backed away a bit myself lol

Yeh I wasn't having a go mate. It's a really weird situation and time.

Just worry where it leaves us.

 

[Brennan]

Because, frankly, that is the only viable solution to this? One way or the other there has to be immunity in the population or we wouldn't be able to leave our houses ever - because any disease could kill us.

I agree with you on the rest - if they advised it people would but then again people are anyway. Like I wear gloves whenever I go in the supermarket/shop (very rare) and my Dad will wear a mask and gloves etc.

But in terms of beating this virus the only way to do it is for people to be immune to it one way or the other. Until there's a vaccine - and that could be a year off - then what is there to be done?

More people are going to die from the repercussions of the reaction to this virus than the virus itself anyway unless there's a vaccine in the next few months.

But all of the above doesn't mean I'm happy with our useless government. I think, know, they should be doing more. But in terms of general strategy surely the only long-term one is for people to be immune?

Correct.

Unfortunately there’s this narrative going around that the choice is lockdown or herd immunity. That’s just not the case.

A vaccine could be years away. The only viable future for our country in the next 12 months is allowing more people to catch the virus. Simple as.

 

[BlueToff]

These will be one of the last I'd suspect - err hope - because while I do need a haircut there is no way you can social distance when you're stood a few inches away.

Hairdressers in Germany are opening from May 4th but are being told to follow strict measures.

Smaller shops etc are opening from Monday. Some schools - mainly for kids who are set to take tests - opening from May 4th.

Restaurants/bars etc will be the last.

 

[dublinbluenose]

But doctors are being told to put suspected CV-19 on the death certificate in cases where the deceased has shown symptoms.

I know there's a craving for by the minute upto date exact information in this country, but when this thing all settles down the real figures will come out.

I see they want to start testing people in nursing homes and I wouldn't be surprised the percentage with CV-19 on the death certificates actually went down.

I still don't understand why we can't keep a separate running total of CV-19 deaths in the community though, even if it's only updated on a weekly basis. The authorities need to be more transparent on this

About 45% of all covid-19 deaths in Ireland have been in care homes so that's a rough guide, you can double the official figures for deaths in the UK if they've only been including deaths in hospitals.

 

[davek]

HanCOCK says no.

Who are all these medical experts to gainsay a man who had a job making tea and passing round biscuits at the Bank of England for a year?