Tell me about the methodology used by the Independent Care Group.
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Tell me about the methodology used by the Independent Care Group.
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I don't know mate. If they are criticising Government it certainly isn't as public as it should be. I worked in a local shipyard for years, please could you excuse my ignorance on matters medical.
Oh for sure. It's a toxic environment we've created because it's practically impossible for any politician to say either "I don't know" or "I was wrong". Instead, the media drive the agenda and demand complete certainty and unwavering strategies. The testing number Hancock was ramrodded into is another. If only 99,999 tests per day are done is that somehow terrible in a way that 100,001 is fantastic? Is doing 10 tests per day on single individuals to get the numbers up a good use of resources? It's daft, yet I guarantee he'll try and get those numbers by hook or by crook so that social media doesn't flood with talk about the Tories murdering everyone. Indeed, if it actually turns out that there's a need and a capacity to deliver 150,000 tests per day, I almost guarantee the story will be dropped like a hot brick, just as there is absolutely no coverage of the seemingly ample supply of beds at the moment.
But you've taken their numbers as gospel? https://www.independentcaregroup.co.uk/ is their website. I can't find any mention of those numbers at all. No report detailing how they were devised, what the numbers represent. Nada. For all we know, it's a back of an envelope guesstimate designed purely to get this group some press coverage, or to pressure the government to give the sector more resources. Heck, it might well be accurate, but the key is, we don't really know, and that Morgan interview takes us no closer to learning either.
She could've also said what you have said above. She responded in a way that sounded like she thought it was nonsense and silly and not actually important rather than treating it with concern and empathy.
'I don't know' or 'its concerning but let's look at the fimdings a bit closer' would've done. As it is, she went to default stock Tory phrases, which is like a red rag to someone that clearly is spoiling for a fight and looking to make headlines.
This is his schtick. It’s sensationalist and designed to get clicks. It was when he was shouting at vegans about sausage rolls, and it still is now he’s shouting at politicians about Covid.
So the whole affair has done nothing except entrench beliefs among some that the Tories are murdering us all? Thanks Piers, you've truly made the world a better place.
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I think the answer to your question about the wether the numbers are gospel is what Morgan was trying to ascertain, and with Whately being the Care Minister she would be the one to ask, no?
Could I then refer you back to my rather poor transcript of what occurred live on TV this morning.
Not having a pop at you Bruce, I am just reacting to what I see unfolding in front of my own eyes and other peoples, judging by some of the comments.
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Would you rather the whole thing was brushed under the carpet then?
Glad the care and nursing home area is starting to get the attention and advocacy it should have been getting before now, fingers crossed for the staff and patients there, im sure many on here will have connections to both.
In better news, this is ace:
www.theguardian.com
In better news, this is ace:
War veteran, 99, raises £9m for NHS by walking lengths of back garden
Capt Tom Moore has set goal of completing 100 laps before his 100th birthday
And boosted his profile. From his perspective, job done.
That said, she has been pretty awful in most appearances she's made.
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That doesn't fit the agenda of a lot of people out there Bruce.
What an incredible thing to say. Using deaths to make a point. You saw the 'Boris video' and jumped to your conclusion. And you call people out for "So the whole affair has done nothing except entrench beliefs among some that the Tories are murdering us all? For your information this is what happens normally when someone dies in care,
What to Do When Someone Dies in a Care Home | Dignity ...
www.dignityfunerals.co.uk › what-to-do-when-someone-dies › when-...
And this is what is happening now when someone passes away.
Death of a Service User in Care Homes (England) Policy ...
app.croneri.co.uk › topics › end-life-care › death-service-user-care-hom...
For your information, care homes will know exactly how many have died in their care and they'll relay that to CQC, and their area organisation, who will then relay that nationally. That's why the number 4 000 as reported today will probably be close for England.
I've never said that people aren't dying in care homes (they blatantly are), or that it isn't horrible for the individuals and their families. Just said that the 4000 figure is very uncertain because it has no methodology behind it.
I saw the headline in the Mail (I wasn't reading it!) this morning re. the care home deaths.
It's just panic. Panic. Fear. Control. Panic. More fear. Get people to shout at each other. Panic.
Hysteria.
The government explained in their briefing yesterday why the care home death count is taking longer - because, frankly, if you go into a care home, you aren't coming out. Does that make it easier or 'okay' that they have died? Of course not. But there has to be accuracy.
We all know there isn't enough testing being done, but all care homes are on strict lockdown as it is. The one my Mum works at part-time (not that she has been in four weeks now) shut down four weeks ago and hasn't had one case, thankfully. People in it are still dying, though. They're in there for end of life treatment, like they are in a hospice.
So putting another 4,000 deaths down to COVID-19 without verifying that is mental.
The hysteria created by a lack of testing (which yes, is crap from the government) is because people are seemingly assuming that means the mortality rate is even higher. Which again is nonsense, because the vast majority of people who have had this thing are absolutely fine – something like 70-80% (depending on different studies I guess) not even showing symptoms milder than a cough.
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