Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[mill]

Did you not read what I posted...

Yes.

I was agreeing with you.

 

[witchdoc187]

Which side, Hackney or Tower Hamlets?

Used to work in Hackney and that bit of London is (or at least was) the most mixed up living space I’ve ever seen - mad estates about two minutes walk from some of the nicest houses and most pleasant streets in London.

I lived both sides. Lived in tower hamlets and hackney for about 20 years. But not as much disparity as when I lived in Kensington.

 

[zzr45]

They're not. They're in charge of creating a hostile environment.

"Dr Jenny Vaughan, law and policy lead at DAUK, called for greater coordination between the Department of Health and Social Care and the Home Office “to ensure that every single doctor who could be saving lives is able to do so”.

She added: “We expect the government to be pulling out all the stops to ensure that the GMC is enabled to register as many doctors who want to work as possible. We are still hearing from perfectly able doctors that their applications are being held up by unnecessary and hostile red tape.”

In a statement, Una Lane, the GMC’s director of registration and revalidation, said the body was adhering to guidelines set out by the government. “[Our] work is guided by what government and health services need and ask of us, which is why we have agreed with the UK’s chief medical officers to re-register specific groups of doctors.”

And when were those guidelines set out? Call me a massive right wing Tory but I’d actually like to know that Doctors working in this country are actually qualified to do so and haven’t just printed a certificate of the Internet.

Much like your claim that planes were still disembarking tens of thousands of passengers into the UK each day, this is another load of bollocks.

 

[mill]

On average 1300 people die each day in the UK. Give or take figures each day, winter being higher per day compared to summer I would imagine.

What I would find interesting that if average 500000 people die each year , how will covid 19 affect this come December?

Relatively unknown at this point but with an increased number of deaths now in a short space of time, you would expect that to average out as we isolate and reduce infection rate.

So come December , will we see a massive spike in statistics in the country? The narrative that many people who have died from the virus would have died anyway , with underlying health issues being the main reason which would attribute to the former statistics minus a pandemic.

Also if average 1300 die a day now , has there been a spike there also? Are we seeing significant increase in deaths as the hospitals are reporting increased capacity due to the virus. We are reporting hundreds of deaths a day right now , is that pushing the average death rate above 2000 a day? Or are many of the hundreds from covid-19 being seperated from what would have been part of that number anyway?

Probably mundane for most people , just curious as to how all of this will affect everything going on given the perspective figures in the UK are only around 60000 from covid-19 which would not increase the yearly average by much

Without being too callous, the virus is more likely to have a bigger effect those with serious illness already.
So it’s not necessarily going to mean that all of the coronavirus deaths will be additional to non-virus deaths as a large proportion would have died anyway.
I’ll caveat that by saying it’s still awful. Just saying you can’t necessarily add coronavirus deaths on top of the 500,000.

 

[RAFUH]

I have no idea what this means but it can't be good

Deadly virus has mutated into three versions, scientists say

Types A, B and C are all derived from the pathogen first found in bats but have evolved in different ways, according to a report by British and German geneticists.

www.scmp.com

It was always going to happen. RNA viruses mutate frequently in the replication process which make vaccines and treatments difficult to develop.

 

[Harryflashman]

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And when were those guidelines set out? Call me a massive right wing Tory but I’d actually like to know that Doctors working in this country are actually qualified to do so and haven’t just printed a certificate of the Internet.

I’m loathe to defend this government over anything but the eligibility of various doctors did come to mind when I read the article .

Although I would assume eu doctors would be relatively easy to check and there should be some kind of procedure.

 

[RAFUH]

I wonder if as a consequence to this, vaccines will be made compulsory (both for covid and regular flu/mmr etc)?

That would be a helluva fight in the US. It would not just be the anti-vax crowd up in arms over that...literally

 

[larrygobfiend]

Our Boris on the road to recovery is the shot in the arm this country needs (no pun intended).

 

[RAFUH]

I think the world is going to change in many ways as a result of this virus....

Hopefully for the better

 

[zzr45]

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I’m loathe to defend this government over anything but the eligibility of various doctors did come to mind when I read the article .

Although I would assume eu doctors would be relatively easy to check and there should be some kind of procedure.

A lot of it harks back to changes after Shipman. The GMC want to change things but nobody wants to the political party that let the next Shipman practice by relaxing rules.

 

[Agent Blue]

And when were those guidelines set out? Call me a massive right wing Tory but I’d actually like to know that Doctors working in this country are actually qualified to do so and haven’t just printed a certificate of the Internet.

Much like your claim that planes were still disembarking tens of thousands of passengers into the UK each day, this is another load of bollocks.

You mean like all the medical students who are graduating early because we don't have enough doctors.
Yes, you are a massive right wing Tory.

 

[summerisle]

She is a horror.

Twelvty !

 

[Kenshin]

It's not just about the numbers mate. It's about how they die. If we did nothing and just let this thing spread, literally hundreds of thousands will endure horrific deaths and probably as many will surimi even with vivid memories of what they went through

See the thing is that isn't 100% true. Hundreds of thousands wouldn't die in all honesty because the vast majority of cases (95% as of 2 weeks ago , may have changed ) were mild or no symptoms at all.

The reason for all this isn't to stop a plague type of death rate , it's to prevent as many deaths as possible that could have been avoided by telling people to stay at home. At the end of the day, never mind the specific details, we don't want anyone dying before their time. That's why we are all sat at home every day when possible.

You may disagree on that , simply my opinion . The death rate isn't as big as we think it would be but anything higher than 0 before someone's time is too high.

Without being too callous, the virus is more likely to have a bigger effect those with serious illness already.
So it’s not necessarily going to mean that all of the coronavirus deaths will be additional to non-virus deaths as a large proportion would have died anyway.
I’ll caveat that by saying it’s still awful. Just saying you can’t necessarily add coronavirus deaths on top of the 500,000.

That is what I wonder. Say for example if come December we end up with 400000 deaths total on average, then a lot of the numbers would be absorbed into the standard figures anyway. To some extent , this virus could well just be accelerating some of those stats into the near future. Whereas anything over 500000 that is more than just variable is an example of impact that the virus is having right now. If that makes sense?

I'm just talking out loud with all of this. One of those subjects that I try not to read too deep into but makes me curious either way. There is no answer , only questions really.

 

[Chewbacca]

If one million were to die from this virus, at current birth rates they would be replaced in 29 hours.

 

[Goat]

If one million were to die from this virus, at current birth rates they would be replaced in 29 hours.

A Human life can never be replaced.