Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[NilSatisOptimum]

Meaning what mate ? I’m not being obtuse, I can only see ‘herd immunity ‘ by the back door and this lockdown to ease the pressure intermittently on the NHS . Just can’t see any other way it works other than doing this for a year which clearly isn’t going to happen .

Without the lock down which Johnson and cronies were loathed to do, I would be with you.

 

[peteblue]

Can't see that happening, various experts in health and social care have stated many times recent governments have run it into the ground and would not cope in a pandemic.

Run what into the ground ? What is it that you believe has been run into the ground that is affecting the current situation ?....

 

[roydo]

So effectively we thsame then ?ink the I’m just glad you and other people seem to share the opinion because I can’t understand why intelligent educated people don’t seem to be seeing or discussing that it seems glaringly obvious and has done since day one .


It ultimately means people will die , I’m not in briefings I don’t know the answers but it feels unpalatable although in all honestly I’m not sure what else there is to do . I’m certainly not advocating it but I don’t know how we cope because the vaccine is a long way away . That said we’ve had US politicians selling stock seemingly briefed so why weren’t we using that time to be buying testing kits to allow us to follow the path that other nations have taken . If it’s true and the only choice Why arent they telling us the truth and owning it . The whole thing is extremely uncomfortable and the apparent sacrifice of a portion of the population with the promise of jam or rather testing tomorrow doesn’t really sit well .

Reckon so. You cant make an infection illegal, or ban it.

You can only deal with it. On the deaths, and I have said this before, as terrible as it sounds, but in the majority of cases, the virus has accelerated a demise, not caused it. (If that makes sense).

So a Government can try to downplay any panic, (tick), can support business and folk finances (tick, ish), and be as open as is possible on asking the population not to be bell ends and make things worse, NHS wise. (tick, ish).

If there is a magic bullet in another political party on the planet, or medical system, great. I havnt seen one.

 

[Harryflashman]

Without the lock down which Johnson and cronies were loathed to do, I would be with you.

But all it’s doing is creating breathing space isn’t it ? I’m not saying it’s a bad thing but it’s not a solution . If you test back and find those who gave it to the sufferers and isolate them then you can attempt to Irradiate the spread but it feels very temporary. Listen I hope it works , nobody wants it not to

 

[Calvin Aldi]

Question if anyone can help because I've googled but can't find the answer

I'm self employed so obviously not working now for I don't know how many weeks, so come June I'll claim the 80% back from the government, I was wondering if I claimed universal credit, would that stop me be8ng able to claim those wages back?

Am i right in thinking if I put myself on the dole now then the government could say im not entitled to claim lossed earnings?

Also I've lashed sawdust at my phone and no answer

It's a tough one because the govt are experts in doing things like this. I knew one woman who was a carer and was ill so went to claim PIP, was refused then she said she had to go to another assessment a year later to see if she was still able to carry out her carers duties and almost lost that money. Also a few people have applied for Universal Credit as well as carers allowance but have ended up worse off.

I think once you claim UC you wouldn't be entitled to the reimbursement because you are already claiming some form of income, or that would be taken from you if you applied. These schemes seem to be deliberately confusing to deter people from using them or that they somehow end up out of pocket.

I hope that you've got enough to live on until June. My cousin the massive tax Dodger is waiting until then but has enough money stashed away from his undeclared earnings to live on. Only bonus is that he will get nowhere near what he actually earns and can't claim for 3 employees because technically they do not exist.

 

[roydo]

But all it’s doing is creating breathing space isn’t it ? I’m not saying it’s a bad thing but it’s not a solution . If you test back and find those who gave it to the sufferers and isolate them then you can attempt to Irradiate the spread but it feels very temporary. Listen I hope it works , nobody wants it not to

Thats exactly what its all about. Breathing space. Then rinse and repeat until sommet, herd, vax, dunno.

 

[peteblue]

My understanding is that even in ICU, they're not actually treating people, they're just doing their best to keep them alive long enough for the body's immune system to defeat the virus on its own. You would hope that even if people aren't being tested (as it's hard to shake the impression that there is a sizeable shortage of tests), they are nonetheless being tracked in some way if people self-identify. I'm not entirely confident that's happening mind you.

When I came around in an ICU, with every manner of measuring equipment attached to me, the treatment had already been done, the ICU was somewhere for 24 hour bedside surveillance to take place as my body went through the Initial trauma of recovery. No treatment, just care.......horses for courses though.....

 

[BlueToff]

That's good to hear.

Genuinely mate it is very different here now.

People are getting out and about for exercise but where I live they've now shut off all the car parks at local beauty spots etc, so you can only walk/run/cycle there really.

There are people out but they're all keeping their distance. I haven't been in a shop since Monday but when I did go everyone was standing two metres apart like robots.

It's still going to be a tough next week or so here. Deaths and cases are gonna go up. But hopefully we'll see a flattening off and then if we keep these measures in for the rest of April hopefully that's got us through the worst of it right now.

 

[Harryflashman]

Reckon so. You cant make an infection illegal, or ban it.

You can only deal with it. On the deaths, and I have said this before, as terrible as it sounds, but in the majority of cases, the virus has accelerated a demise, not caused it. (If that makes sense).

So a Government can try to downplay any panic, (tick), can support business and folk finances (tick, ish), and be as open as is possible on asking the population not to be bell ends and make things worse, NHS wise. (tick, ish).

If there is a magic bullet in another political party on the planet, or medical system, great. I havnt seen one.

No argument mate I’ve just said we all want the same thing we want it to work , nobody is in to any kind of points scoring here . Well if they are they’re dicks .

Again as I’ve just posted I just see ‘success ‘ whatever that is , seems to have come from tracing the source of infection when tackling it . We’ve completely failed even refused to do that , so clearly this isn’t the only option . If this is the wrong one then people have to answer for zigging right when pretty much everyone else zagged left

 

[BlueToff]

Exactly the same where I live, the novelty seems to have worn off for some people, kid couldn't have been more than 10 or 11, riding a scooter around the street, not a parent in sight. Just an example, but loads of cars driving around as well. 684 victims today, RIP.

Going out in your car or on your own in the street isn't doing damage though. It's spreading between households.

The most dangerous thing atm is going to the shop, mate.

 

[davek]

I think it will. I know you said Boris has form, but he also has confidence, both in himself and his electoral mandate. He also has the personality to brush away future criticisms or to just say sorry we messed up. People forgive Boris in a way no other politician can get away with.......

Laughable. You think that clown is going to come out of this with thousands dead with anything other than a reputation in the gutter. That's insane. There isn't a spinning machine available that could sell that line to the serfs who put him in power on the promise of Brexit.

He'll be Chamberlain or worse. That's his historic legacy. An appeaser.

 

[BlueToff]

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You should be perfectly entitled to get UC to 'keep you going' until June.

I've tried for it myself but even though I've claimed online already had no look getting through for a phone appointment. I've accepted the fact that I'm not getting a penny of help from the government unfortunately.

 

[roydo]

When I came around in an ICU, with every manner of measuring equipment attached to me, the treatment had already been done, the ICU was somewhere for 24 hour bedside surveillance to take place as my body went through the Initial trauma of recovery. No treatment, just care.......horses for courses though.....

Thats what folk who havnt been in one dont get. You get the same care on a normal ward, its just not 24/7, 365.

 

[Cool_Blue]

Ok mate I grasp that . Explain to me how that works . Stay at home for how long ? Will the virus stop ? Will it dissipate or disappear ? Not one country who have previously advocated lockdown have done so without large scale testing , the quote “you can’t fight a fire without knowing where it is “ has been used multiple times .


If we are on lockdown for say what Another 2 months you think it’ll have gone ? I hope so that’s great but No evidence suggests that , it doesn’t feel remotely like a plan to me . All the medical writing I’ve read , not Facebook I hasten yo add , stipulates lockdown and testing I’ve not seen one advocate of lockdown alone .

I’m staying in I’m not saying I’m not but I’m trying to figure out what the plan is , it makes sense to you that’s great . If you’d just lay out how it works other than easing the Initial pressure on the nhs then I’m genuinely eager to learn and that’s not sarcasm .

I was commenting more on the attitude of those people who seem to just be carrying on as if nothing was amiss. e.g. like the woman opposite me going out at least 4 times every day in her BMW, to do what exactly? We were told the peak was coming down the line and it’s now arriving by the looks of it. No, I don’t have the answers, nobody does right now, but people have to take personal responsibility for their actions, not strolling around the shops ‘browsing’. Just get what you need and get back home.

 

[Tubey]

Laughable. You think that clown is going to come out of this with thousands dead with anything other than a reputation in the gutter. That's insane. There isn't a spinning machine available that could sell that line to the serfs who put him in power on the promise of Brexit.

He'll be Chamberlain or worse. That's his historic legacy. An appeaser.

He'll get a short term boost but long term he'll be hit with his "take it on the chin" interview, the "loads will die" defeatist press conference and the "Mitigate" strategy over and over again until it hurts him badly.

And that's before we mention how chronically underprepared the NHS was for this compared even to some Eastern European countries thanks to the Tories actions over a decade, as well as how Johnson threw thousands of small businesses under the bus for weeks by only giving "advice" to close...

If Labour are even semi competent under Starmer, they should be able to take full advantage of a political open goal.