Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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peteblue said:
Or they could get through it with their economy intact....
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Yeh we'll just have to see.

They have a better healthcare system and a much smaller population so it seems for now they're happy to rely on people following the measures and having a common sense approach. Anyone with symptoms is having to isolate and they are taking measures to protect the vulnerable groups.

It may not work and they've messed it up. But based on the numbers they aren't taking any more of a gamble than the UK or anyone else yet.
 
evilwebby said:
Very bad numbers from France today, totally out of line with the trend in recent days. This sucker's not going down without a fight.
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Its impotant to take the duality of Death figures and new cases on their own merits and not a general picture of the overall current situation on a daily bases.

On death cases there can be anything from 14 day incubation period and 14 days in ICU before a death, so the number of deaths today were new case figures from anything from a forth night to a month ago.

So even when new case figures drops, high death rates may still be reported for a while after.

Equally total new cases has many distinguishable different variables from country to country, that don’t make comparing one country to another helpful, the per capita of testing, testing health care workers, how you accumulate the data. There is likely way more out there in community's every country then any country is officially reporting.

So using the figures as concrete indicators of the overall situation is a bit hit and miss in my opinion. I tend the think at the moment the virus is a bit uncontrollable, the goal it to manage the surge to protect the health services as oppposed rather then hope we get rid of the virus in our communities for the next 12 months until their is a vaccine or big treatment breakthrough. So from that point of view the only hope in the numbers is managing the surge with consistent figures that health services can manage.

I do however feel their is political collatoral in the numbers and being “seen“ to manage the numbers and controlling the narrative of the nation, based on the electorates hope and despair and I’d have a different opinion on the ethics around that and helpful it is to public health. But health and politics are two things, at least in my head anyway. Ethics is important in one, not so much in the other.
 
BlueToff said:
I don't know - we'll have to see why those stats haven't been updated.

Those are just the 135 cases counted on the sites aren't they.

Like, for example, we all know of two people who have recovered from COVID-19 in Britain - Mikel Arteta and Callum Hudson-Odoi. Are they counted in those official stats?

Lots more people will have had it and recovered than have had it and died. I was just comparing the 'official' numbers we have.
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Those stats haven't been updated since 22/03/2020. According to the official NHS stats only 135 people have recovered from coronivirus.
 
LouReedwalkonthewildside said:
I thought you had to self - isolate for 14 days, Boris will have only self - isolated for 7 days?
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If you have shown symptoms, you do seven. Anyone in your household or who has come into direct contact with you must do 14 unless they start showing symptoms and then they do seven days from when they first started showing them.

There's a handy graphic that I can't find but it explains it. This is the UK's approach anyway.

Obviously if you get a bad dose of it and need the hopsital then you're gonna be out for more than seven days.

Some people seem to have it bad for 2-3 days if they get severe symptoms and then it takes them 2-3 days to recover.

Boris - if he had it at all - may have just had what the vast majority of people have if they get it and that's not even been ill enough to know you've had it unless your tested.
 
dublinbluenose said:
I could be wrong but to me it looks like the UK is still pursuing herd immunity. Virtually no testing being done really.
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Well going forward long-term it still is the only real solution.

But there needs to be much more testing done in that case to ensure there is an immunity built up, so I don't know, it'd seem counter-productive to be doing less tests if 'herd immunity' is the goal.
 
aazak said:
Fox News:

Americans in class-action suit against China speak out on how coronavirus has upended their lives

EXCLUSIVE: The American plaintiffs in a class-action lawsuit filed this month against China say the coronavirus outbreak has injected fear into their everyday lives, kept them home from work and taken away their beloved family members as the pandemic has swept across the United States — and they lay the blame squarely at China's feet.


The suit, which seeks to take advantage of limited exceptions in U.S. law that allow Americans to sue other governments, alleges that China "knew that COVID-19 was dangerous and capable of causing a pandemic, yet slowly acted, proverbially put their head in the sand, and/or covered it up in their own economic self-interest."

Representatives for Berman Law Group, the class-action firm backing the suit, say that they've had upward of 10,000 inquiries from Americans looking to join the class action. Jeremy Alters, the chief strategist and 0non-attorney spokesperson for the Berman Law Group, framed the suit as a struggle to help everyday people who have been wronged by a country that unleashed a pandemic on the world through its negligence.
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That’s gonna end well...
 
ramacca said:
Those stats haven't been updated since 22/03/2020. According to the official NHS stats only 135 people have recovered from coronivirus.
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135 of their confirmed cases.

Most people who have had this aren't getting tested. And I doubt Arteta or Hudson-Odoi were tested by the NHS either?

Just saying, I don't know why those recovery stats haven't been updated, but more than 135 people in our country will have recovered from coronavirus. Just as more than however many thousand it is the official stats say that have had the virus will actually have had it. And potentially more will have died from it - but not much more, because they are testing patients who go into ICU as far as I'm aware.
 
BlueToff said:
If you have shown symptoms, you do seven. Anyone in your household or who has come into direct contact with you must do 14 unless they start showing symptoms and then they do seven days from when they first started showing them.

There's a handy graphic that I can't find but it explains it. This is the UK's approach anyway.

Obviously if you get a bad dose of it and need the hopsital then you're gonna be out for more than seven days.

Some people seem to have it bad for 2-3 days if they get severe symptoms and then it takes them 2-3 days to recover.

Boris - if he had it at all - may have just had what the vast majority of people have if they get it and that's not even been ill enough to know you've had it unless your tested.
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Just had a read of the piece again Toff, it was saying that Boris only showed mild symptoms.
 
BlueToff said:
Really is brilliant. Sad that it's needed.

Would have been nice for the government to have had some foresight, mind. They could have had 3-4 of these extras up and running around the country by now.

Imagine if we'd just been prepared, ey.
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Are they needed yet hospitals around the country seem to be coping, in two weeks time it may be different they'll be up and running by then
 
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