CONFIRMED: Moyes Leaving - All Reaction Here

[Timak]

Who is the new owner that is going to replace Kenwright ?

If I put my house on sale for £2b nobody will buy it.

If I put it in sale for £2 it would be gone in 30 seconds.

The same is true of a football club.

If you've had it on the market for 10 years and nobody has bought it then it does imply the price being asked is too high or it is not really for sale.

 

[zirc]

Net spend isn't what some make it out to be (look at Arsenal for example) but you can't say his transfer record is poor or even average by looking at the profit made on the following players:

Arteta 8m
Lescott 17m
Beckford 4m
Johnson 2m
Bent 2m
Mcfadden 5m

Then add the current squad players and their cost:

Jagielka 4m
Gibson 0.5k
Mirallas 5.5m
Jelavic 5.5m
Coleman 150k
Fellaini 15m
Baines 6m
Howard 3m

I don't think it's unreasonable to say that any of the above players could be sold for at least double their buying price.

And that's not even taking into account players like Nigel Martyn and Tim Cahill who he got for a song and went on to be important players for us. Moyes two biggest duds, Bily and Yak, Bily only cost us 5m net and Yakubu was more down to injuries than anything else.

There are plently of reasons to criticise Moyes but his transfer record is not one of them.

What manager has done better? And please don't say Wenger, Arsenal's wage bill is more than double ours.

 

[windymiller]

How dare he wait to see how the team does before committing himself for another few years.

Isn't that down to him to a greater degree?

 

[nigelcoyb]

What utter ****e that is.

Your entire argument has no basis, as you're incapable of looking at anything Moyes based objectively, due to your hatred of the man, as you see him as 'propping up' Kenwright, when in fact he's just doing his ****ing job. But anyway, your angle of attack this time is way wide of the mark.

Moyes has spent £114M in total of which only £11M is net spend, you could argue that Rooney was a 'gift', as he was home grown, so add his £27M to the net spend & you get a total of £38M - against a total spend of £114M - where's the balance come from? & when you've worked that out, then calculate the value of the current squad & compare it to the value of the one he took over a decade back. Add those 2 figures together & you'll see what value Moyes has generated simply by player trading.

If you can look at that number & say it's 'average' then you're not worth wasting a post on & should be put in the WUM category.

Your bad tempered tirades are hilarious I don't mind you swearing at every opportunity you're a ban waiting to happen.

Your problem is lack of focus caused by ludicrous rage - you're on a computer giving an opinion lad - not defending your lunchbox from the bigger kids.

I've said this to you before READ the text properly and if you really are too emotional try singing Gloria Gaynor's "I will survive" - with make up if it helps.

I didn't mention net spend in fact I clearly qualified my argument on several occasions to avoid it becoming a "house keeping" in isolation debate.

You really are great fun.

 

[kenada_blue]

Net spend isn't what some make it out to be (look at Arsenal for example) but you can't say his transfer record is poor or even average by looking at the profit made on the following players:

Arteta 8m
Lescott 17m
Beckford 4m
Johnson 2m
Bent 2m
Mcfadden 5m

Then add the current squad players and their cost:

Jagielka 4m
Gibson 0.5k
Mirallas 5.5m
Jelavic 5.5m
Coleman 150k
Fellaini 15m
Baines 6m
Howard 3m

I don't think it's unreasonable to say that any of the above players could be sold for at least double their buying price.

And that's not even taking into account players like Nigel Martyn and Tim Cahill who he got for a song and went on to be important players for us. Moyes two biggest duds, Bily and Yak, Bily only cost us 5m net and Yakubu was more down to injuries than anything else.

There are plently of reasons to criticise Moyes but his transfer record is not one of them.

What manager has done better? And please don't say Wenger, Arsenal's wage bill is more than double ours.

Yup. It end ups being a bad circle of net spend, then wages etc rather than... "did you buy a good player"

 

[kenada_blue]

Clearly I'm missing something. Are you telling me there is no difference between having Rooney in our squad AND £25m to spend and having Rooney in our squad OR £25m to spend?



Ah Kopiteish, see we've reached the GOT Godwin Law already.

If I give you £1m and take it back instantly and give you friend £1m and don't expect it back are you as rich as your friend?



OK we'll look at just gross spend.
http://www.transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/transfer-league-table-2003-to-date.html
Yep still down in about 12th place.


J
Err that is why we have a low net spend. Sell to buy = Low net spend.

See Zirc posts

 

[Goat]

5.6m Net Spend over 11 Years.

Compared to Citys 550m Net Spend in the last 5 Years.

/shrug

 

[kenada_blue]

5.6m Net Spend over 11 Years.

Compared to Citys 550m Net Spend in the last 5 Years.

/shrug

We clearly should be challenging them

 

[nigelcoyb]

Yup. It end ups being a bad circle of net spend, then wages etc rather than... "did you buy a good player"

Excellent point.

If Moyes spends 100 mill over the year and we do no business for 5 yrs but win nothing and average 7th annually leaving him to conclude "what a mistake" and flogs them losing 16mill it looks horrendous.

If by God's great favour another Rooney pops up in the 4th or 5th season who he sells for 17mill his net spend is a modest +1million, clearly net spend as the be all and end all is NOT the full picture.

Each fan has to make their own minds up whether a decade of 7th ish without trophies is good value for the huge debt we've incurred the global wages for Moyes and the bounty of Rooney. Criticism that the players he signs ON THE WHOLE are of a type expected of a high mid table outfit and no more can't be avoided when you see how few are taken on by the clubs above us.

 

[Goat]

Excellent point.

If Moyes spends 100 mill over the year and we do no business for 5 yrs but win nothing and average 7th annually leaving him to conclude "what a mistake" and flogs them losing 16mill it looks horrendous.

If by God's great favour another Rooney pops up in the 4th or 5th season who he sells for 17mill his net spend is a modest +1million, clearly net spend as the be all and end all is NOT the full picture.

Each fan has to make their own minds up whether a decade of 7th ish without trophies is good value for the huge debt we've incurred the global wages for Moyes and the bounty of Rooney. Criticism that the players he signs ON THE WHOLE are of a type expected of a high mid table outfit and no more can't be avoided when you see how few are taken on by the clubs above us.

From 17th to 7th, 5.6m.

Yeah, I consider that progress, what would you call it?

Cos if you wanna take in the full picture, thats what hes done, you say a decade of 7th, which isnt even true, we have finished 5th more times than we have finished 7th.

But lets not let facts ruin your agenda filled rubbish.

 

[TheFinnFan]

You really are great fun.

he actually is...infact one of the most underrated posters in this forum.

 

[Groucho]

Listen lads, just read through the past few pages of this thread and it looks to me as though its about to come down to name calling.

Without pointing the finger at anyone in particular, please let's keep it civil.

 

[nigelcoyb]

From 17th to 7th, 5.6m.

Yeah, I consider that progress, what would you call it?

Cos if you wanna take in the full picture, thats what hes done, you say a decade of 7th, which isnt even true, we have finished 5th more times than we have finished 7th.

But lets not let facts ruin your agenda filled rubbish.

Thought I was being generous - last figure I saw was 8th average but you're one of these that criticism of Moyes is tantamount to treachery.

He has strengths but like anyone else he has weaknesses hopefully the new guy will have the same strengths and less of his weaknesses we need to get back to winning stuff to protect the clubs future - silverware brings the next generation of fans not tales around the fireplace of accountancy and "challenging for europe".

 

[zirc]

Criticism that the players he signs ON THE WHOLE are of a type expected of a high mid table outfit and no more can't be avoided when you see how few are taken on by the clubs above us.

But how many players are there to be had that are better than "high mid table" calibre for a price of £3-6m? Because that is about the price range we have to go shopping in. Look at the teams above us and all of their truly CL quality players, I only see Evra, Cole, Kompany, Bale and maybe Chicharito as falling in that price range and they're all defenders except Bale who was bought when he was still a teenager, and Hernandez who has the luxury of being a super sub.

People go on about players like Cazorla, Suarez, van Persie, etc being great buys but we simply aren't capable of operating in that price range.

 

[nigelcoyb]

Listen lads, just read through the past few pages of this thread and it looks to me as though its about to come down to name calling.

Without pointing the finger at anyone in particular, please let's keep it civil.

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