CONFIRMED: Moyes Leaving - All Reaction Here

[Goat]

And I'd take attacking football with a young team who wins derbies and gets to the latter stages of the cup and finishes 15th over defensive football with an old team who loses derbies and cup games and finishes 6th, myself.

Wigan mate, thats the team for you.

 

[Allezfan]

Wigan mate, thats the team for you.

I will neg you into the stone ages.

Martinez plays awful football with an old team and loses every cup game he ever plays. And they don't have any derbies cos no one cares about wigan.

 

[Goat]

I will neg you into the stone ages.

Martinez plays awful football with an old team and loses every cup game he ever plays. And they don't have any derbies cos no one cares about wigan.

You cant say Moyes plays defensive football.

Just re-watch that first half vs Villa.

 

[Allezfan]

You cant say Moyes plays defensive football.

Just re-watch that first half vs Villa.

I'm perfectly happy with the football we play this season, to be honest.

 

[Goat]

Hes got grey hair but Chelsea dont care.

Davey, Davey Moyes.

 

[steken1]

IMO we've rarely played well since the first 10-12 games of this season. Patches of decent play (the odd half here & there) but overall very little in terms of consistent quality. A fair few games could have easily gone either way.

 

[Goat]

We have played badly recently.

We have a LOT of players badly out of form and lacking match sharpness, a LOT.

Only Baines can say hes played well in every game.

 

[Stend]

We have players like Osman and Pienaar who have played almost every game and look nackered. Rest em!

 

[Goat]

We have players like Osman and Pienaar who have played almost every game and look nackered. Rest em!

They dont look tired, they look gash, theres a difference.

 

[griffla]

The thing is, if you look back at what I've said in this thread, I absoloutly agree that it will be hard to find a manager who will have us finish higher in the league than Moyes does on our budget. He deserves a lot of credit for getting as many league points as he does on his budget.

But ultimately I don't really view a season where we finish 7th rather than 11th as a huge success the way Moyes' big boosters do... Ultimately if you don't finish top 4 and you don't finish top three, the league positions don't matter that much to me. Which is why I've never been as convinced by Moyes as others as that's all he bring you.

Fair enough, but in the real world where mis-management can result in all sorts of problems (relegation, administration, being portsmouth) is that not £4m per year in premier league prize money? I know its frustrating but if he didn't prioritise that prize money then we wouldn't have half of our best players.

 

[njligernj]

There are around about 300 different footballing leagues in different countries. In each of those countries there are several leagues (top flight, second flight etc going down in england's case to literally hundreds of regional leagues). Each of those leagues have a history of up to 130 years. You could reasonably look atr several million team's seasons

The second tier of Latvian football in 1965* has about much direct relevancy to the Premier League in 2013 as the latest results from the Premier League of darts.

Even looking as "recently" as the 80s or the 90s and looking only at England ... it was just so different that I don't see how it's really relevant. I don't need to look anything up ... I remember teams that are in the second or third division now finishing second in the top flight. I just don't think it has even the slightest relevancy to the game of today. The fact they did that then really means literally nothing to a team's ability to do the same thing in the current era.

* Or Scotland in the 50's ... or Greece in the 70's ... etc ... etc

 

[milks]

The context of that conversation regarded being a successful manager in the premier league. You're being pedantic because Timak was making a lot of sense.

I'm not getting involved in the topic of the conversation. The context was clearly in respect of attacking football and it's correlation to budget. That much is right there. Look.

 

[Allezfan]

The second tier of Latvian football in 1965* has about much direct relevancy to the Premier League in 2013 as the latest results from the Premier League of darts.

Even looking as "recently" as the 80s or the 90s and looking only at England ... it was just so different that I don't see how it's really relevant. I don't need to look anything up ... I remember teams that are in the second or third division now finishing second in the top flight. I just don't think it has even the slightest relevancy to the game of today. The fact they did that then really means literally nothing to a team's ability to do the same thing in the current era.

* Or Scotland in the 50's ... or Greece in the 70's ... etc ... etc

But essentially when it comes to looking for precident to the premeir league of 2013, you have two options. One is you look at an incredibly small sample size of ten seasons and make huge universal statements based on that (the top four will never be broken was a classic one I remember or no london club will ever win the league again because of all the derbies which everyone believed in the 80s) or you can look at similar but not identical leagues as well and try and adjust for the differences.

 

[Ihaters]

There are around about 300 different footballing leagues in different countries. In each of those countries there are several leagues (top flight, second flight etc going down in england's case to literally hundreds of regional leagues). Each of those leagues have a history of up to 130 years. You could reasonably look atr several million team's seasons

You're talking about 22 teams in a single season each and making a conclusion from there. Tiny sample size.



I'm pretty sure I saw a table of the average position of english league managers in the last 30 years in terms of improvement over the position of their wage bill (ignoring transfers all together) and Moyes was 25th. Paisley and Ferguson were top.

Can we afford to gamble on a 4th division Argentinian manager because he's won 9 games in a row playing attacking football and the Argentinian equivalent of whatever the lower league English cup is these days?
Not really imo. We still need to be looking at the top tier of the top European leagues or championship English team at worst.

Personally I reckon your looking at about 30/40 teams outside of England that are even worth considering, of which several are the likes of AC Milan, Barca, Real, Juve, Inter, Porto etc.. we're not getting their managers so we are looking at the best of the rest or English proven, a massive risk either way, only one way we get someone who knows the English game and can speak the language. I honestly think the search radius for Moyes replacement is far smaller than every team in the world, just because there are other teams, doesn't necessarily mean other realistic options.. If my local team had a decent run of results, does that mean our manager should be added to the list of potential Moyes replacements? He plays 2 up front as well.
I would say Championship team or decent European manager, cross fingers and hope he can do nearly as good a job as Moyes.
I also think anyone expecting a new manager to equal the next step in our evolution are going to be sorely dissapointed.

 

[scratchnsurf]

I'd love to be proved wrong, but I don't really believe we will win anything under Moyes. For whatever reason, the team don't seem to be able to put in a winning performance when it really counts.

I couldn't give a toss about 5th, 6th, 7th place. It means nothing compared to winning something. Plenty of 'lesser' teams have managed to achieve this during Moyes' tenure.

Those of you placing such importance on maintaining our league position, I don't understand why. Obviously, there'll be some who know the answer, but I bet most evertonians couldn't tell you what our league position was in 1995.