CONFIRMED: Moyes Leaving - All Reaction Here

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Maybe because the chances of it happening are less than 0.1%

If you think we can simultaneously maintain our current league position whilst playing even more attractive football and blooding youngsters into the team you are deluded.

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[Allezfan]

Can we all just accept that the team who spend the most money and pay the biggest wages will always finish top and it's lunacy to suggest otherwise?

I mean look at QPR, there's a reason they're doing so well and that only the very very best managers like Paul Lambert and Sam Allardyce are comfortably ahead of them.

The fact is Moyes is literally the only manager to world football to finish higher in the league than richer teams.

 

[ijjysmith]

We don't have a manager next season.

 

[D410]

We don,t have a board that puts money into the club.

Lest,s let it ride and see were we finish at the end of the season.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Can we all just accept that the team who spend the most money and pay the biggest wages will always finish top and it's lunacy to suggest otherwise?

I mean look at QPR, there's a reason they're doing so well and that only the very very best managers like Paul Lambert and Sam Allardyce are comfortably ahead of them.

The fact is Moyes is literally the only manager to world football to finish higher in the league than richer teams.

Spending money dramtically increases your chances of success, the only caveats being, that you need to spend it well, buy players that are better than what you already have & then manage them correctly. It's called a combination of factors.

 

[Timak]

Can we all just accept that the team who spend the most money and pay the biggest wages will always finish top and it's lunacy to suggest otherwise?

Correct, name me a team that has won the Premier League with a wage bill that wasn't in the top 3 in the league.

I mean look at QPR, there's a reason they're doing so well and that only the very very best managers like Paul Lambert and Sam Allardyce are comfortably ahead of them.

It doesn't though follow that if we paid Tony Hibbert £2b a year we'd be sure to win the title. Hence the fact that Liverpool have spent over £350m more than Everton in the last 3.5 years and have won fewer points.

The fact is Moyes is literally the only manager to world football to finish higher in the league than richer teams.

Not quite. He is the only manager in Premier League history to consistently outperform his budget.

 

[Moomin]

Too bad he's dead.

Even better, no compensation to pay for his services.

Every penny helps, we can get one of them frauds...... Sorry mediums to speak to him beyond the grave.

Also get Alex Polizzi to sort out boardroom issues on the basis I get to spend an hour a week in a premier inn with her.

 

[Allezfan]

Correct, name me a team that has won the Premier League with a wage bill that wasn't in the top 3 in the league.

There are around about 300 different footballing leagues in different countries. In each of those countries there are several leagues (top flight, second flight etc going down in england's case to literally hundreds of regional leagues). Each of those leagues have a history of up to 130 years. You could reasonably look atr several million team's seasons

You're talking about 22 teams in a single season each and making a conclusion from there. Tiny sample size.

Not quite. He is the only manager in Premier League history to consistently outperform his budget.

I'm pretty sure I saw a table of the average position of english league managers in the last 30 years in terms of improvement over the position of their wage bill (ignoring transfers all together) and Moyes was 25th. Paisley and Ferguson were top.

 

[steken1]

He's done a good job for us. He's got lots of skills that we need. I KNOW a club like ours needs a man with an eye for a player like him BUT I'm at the point where I'd be happy to see a new man with new ideas come in.

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

He's done a good job for us. He's got lots of skills that we need. I KNOW a club like ours needs a man with an eye for a player like him BUT I'm at the point where I'd be happy to see a new man with new ideas come in.

As would I. We could get someone more tactically astute of that I am sure. They wont be as good in the transfer market, but swings and roundabouts.

 

[Timak]

There are around about 300 different footballing leagues in different countries. In each of those countries there are several leagues (top flight, second flight etc going down in england's case to literally hundreds of regional leagues). Each of those leagues have a history of up to 130 years. You could reasonably look atr several million team's seasons

But, as has already been pointed out to you they are not valid comparisons.

You're talking about 22 teams in a single season each and making a conclusion from there. Tiny sample size.

No I'm talking about 20+ seasons of Premier League football. In that time no other team has done better on a consistent basis than Everton under Moyes without significant investment (hundreds of millions of £)

I'm pretty sure I saw a table of the average position of english league managers in the last 30 years in terms of improvement over the position of their wage bill (ignoring transfers all together) and Moyes was 25th. Paisley and Ferguson were top.

Again you aren't comparing like with like.

Firstly the differences in wage bills were nothing like as stark in the last 30 years and secondly given Liverpool had finished 1st, 2nd and 2nd in the years before Paisley took over he didn't actually have that much room to improve their position.

 

[DanEFC92]

I fear a Gary-Megson-esque replacement.

 

[Ratkiller]

He's done a good job for us. He's got lots of skills that we need. I KNOW a club like ours needs a man with an eye for a player like him BUT I'm at the point where I'd be happy to see a new man with new ideas come in.

I was at that point last season when he threw a derby game because he was worried about Sunderland at home.

 

[Timak]

As would I. We could get someone more tactically astute of that I am sure. They wont be as good in the transfer market, but swings and roundabouts.

Ah the old "tactically astute" argument.

What do you mean by that?

My definition of tactics is getting the most out of the players you have on the pitch. This would be measured by points accumulated, goals scored and goals conceded.

Over a 10 year period we've won the 5th most points, scored the 6th most goals and conceded the 5th least amount of goals.

What could we have achieved with better tactics?

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

Ah the old "tactically astute" argument.

What do you mean by that?

My definition of tactics is getting the most out of the players you have on the pitch. This would be measured by points accumulated, goals scored and goals conceded.

Over a 10 year period we've won the 5th most points, scored the 6th most goals and conceded the 5th least amount of goals.

What could we have achieved with better tactics?

1) Getting the best out of his strikers which he never does as he makes them run the channels.
2) An inability to break down the lesser teams, the Stokes, Readings, and Norwichs of the league.
3) Making positive subs that aren't enforced.
4) Persisting with his favourite for far too long when it isn't working.
5) HOOF to target man with all the emphasis on the attacking mid getting the goals.

I'm happy with a lot of things Moyes does but he doesn't learn from his main mistakes.