CONFIRMED: Moyes Leaving - All Reaction Here

[steken1]

The more I think about it the more I hope he leaves.

Why? Come next year we're at the quarters or semi's of a cup, do you honestly think we don't know whats going to happen. The pain and disappointment isn't balanced out by finishing 7th for me.

Davek said it all along last year in the build up to the semi. Deep down I knew he was right then I just gave him loads and ignored him because I hoped Moyes would finally see the light. Fact is it's just not in him. You can get a decent finish in the league without ever playing one big high presure match.

You can't win a cup without that. We're Everton. Our history demands that we should win cups.

 

[By god I'm blue]

As cups are our only chance of success we need to be going all out for them.

Would supporters be happy to win a cup and finish mid table? I think for 1 year they might, but then the supporters would be demanding higher league finishes, and again he would be accused of under achieving.

Truth is, we are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Not good enough or have a big enough squad to push for top 4, not adventurous and strong enough for the big game mentality needed for latter stage cup games, but good enough to be in the top 8 every season.

Nobody gives a hoot who actually finishes below the European places, and it's hardly a massive achievement to finish 8th every season, though I take on board he does out perform teams with more resource than him on a regular basis.

It's got to be as far as possible in the cups and pushing for Europa League, otherwise we might as well just admit we are just wasting evryones time.

 

[steken1]

As cups are our only chance of success we need to be going all out for them.

Would supporters be happy to win a cup and finish mid table? I think for 1 year they might, but then the supporters would be demanding higher league finishes, and again he would be accused of under achieving.

Truth is, we are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Not good enough or have a big enough squad to push for top 4, not adventurous and strong enough for the big game mentality needed for latter stage cup games, but good enough to be in the top 8 every season.

Nobody gives a hoot who actually finishes below the European places, and it's hardly a massive achievement to finish 8th every season, though I take on board he does out perform teams with more resource than him on a regular basis.

It's got to be as far as possible in the cups and pushing for Europa League, otherwise we might as well just admit we are just wasting evryones time.

Winning a cup qualifies you for Europe. Our fans LOVE getting off to watch the blues. We also love going to Wembley. If you said to a gang of Blues now all things staying the same over the next decade we're gunna get to 4 cup finals win 2 domestic cups and the EL they'd bite your hand off. Even if it meant finishing between 6th-10th and you'd have to be very, very poor to finish lower than that.

 

[blueblue]

David Moyes is probably better than anybody at spotting young talent,signing them at a bargain price and then turning them into excellent players.

David Moyes it seems to me to be the one person who doesn't trust these same footballers to take apart inferior teams and we end up with conservative team formations against teams fighting relegation.

Generally,I think David Moyes gets tactics and selections right against the trongest teams.
It's the selections,formations and results against poorer teams that frustrate me.

 

[Joey66]

So lets get this right into prospective then if players who are getting a game now the old timers I call them {Dads Army} they would not be worried if DM was to leave & a new boss as you say would pay them the high salaries, & put up with the mediocrity as they keep young players out of the team. Every employee should be worried if a new broom comes in as he usually sweeps the rubbish out in every industry!

 

[Ihaters]

David Moyes signs for Reading.

Moyes lodges £6m bid for Steven Naismith.

Reading finish above us for the next 10 years. We still don't win a cup.

 

[collymcd]

I still really really want him to stay. No manager gets every decision right. Moyes' ability to get the most from the team and from his funds is crucial to us with our board of directors. Plus, on a personal level I like him. He's honest, hard working and a decent fella. Embodies what Everton is about for me

 

[toffeejack]

I agree, Moyes has said himself that he thinks 2-0 is the perfect scoreline. He likes efficiency and you could make an argument that doing enough to win and then seeing the game out is a good approach. However I also think you could make an argument that were we more inclined to keep attacking and go for a larger margin of victory, we might have won some of the games we've ended up drawing or losing. It makes sense to me to have a mixture. If you're having a good day against a poor team, there's no reason why you shouldn't turn a two goal lead into three or four. By the same token if it's a tight game and you sneak a lead, naturally you want to be a bit more defensive and hold onto it.

My basic point is I think we could have done even better than we have done over the years had there been more big-margin wins, because I think some of them would have come in addition to the small ones, rather than instead of them.

i have no idea why he says this, 2-0 is one of the worst scorelines imo with regards to winning, team pulls it back to 2-1 and they've got all the momentum to go and get something out of the game whereas you're wondering for the last 10 mins whether to hold out or go for the 3rd and kill the game off. different if you're winning 1-0 and they peg it back to 1-1 because you know you have to go attacking again for the winner, but i'd say 2-0 is a tricky lead - but against half the teams in this prem, you should always go for the killer 3rd. Not outright attack, but that's the thing with us lately we don't seem to try and go for that kill.

Take fulham for example, where we were 2-1 up and had numerous opportunities for 3, 4 and 5, but sadly it just wasn't our day and fulham got one of the flukiest results in the prem. Since them, i haven't seen us be so dynamic this season and in the league i don't think we've looked like scoring 4 or 5 in a game since, whereas we looked like doing it every game before. We wouldn't have got that unlucky every week and probably would have won more than we have drawn.

 

[Philw]

Does anyone know the date when his contract is up? He can't surely wait until the last day. If he leaves it that long he must have been tapped up or know of another job likely to come his way.

One question I wish the media had the balls to ask is " Would you let one of your players say he will let his contract run down and wait to look at his options, before signing?"

Pienaar??

Liverpool have spent £84m on strikers in the last 2.5 years.

We've spent £5m on strikers in the last 5 years.

It is hardly a level playing field.

Tbf tho, 35M of that was on Carroll...

Last three seasons including this one, Fulham have won 33 of their 104 league games, 10 of which have been won by a margin greater than two goals. That's about 30% of their wins or 10% of their games, win, lose or draw.

In the same period Everton have won 39 of their 104 league games, four of which have been won by a margin greater than two goals. That's about 10% of their wins or 3% of their games, win, lose or draw.

Yet we've scored 9 more goals (and conceded 16 fewer) in that period so is it the case that margin of victory indicates an attacking mindset?

I'm not trying to be annoying - I genuinely think it is an interesting fact - but perhaps it shows that being cautious when winning 1-0 is a better tactic for accumulating points than pushing for goals 2 and 3.

I have Moyes down as an arch pragmatist rather than a "romantic" manager. He'll have examined all the stats and be sure that his approach is correct. The fact that nobody finishes above him without massive additional expenditure, to me, shows he is doing something right.

Well the best way to look at that would be to analise results from each team when 1-0, comparing menatility to final score... Personally I think you should go for it in the majority of cases, except perhaps against an opponent much better than you. Likewise when you are drawing a close game, as you stand to gain 2 points for a possible loss of only 1.

 

[njligernj]

i have no idea why he says this, 2-0 is one of the worst scorelines imo with regards to winning, team pulls it back to 2-1 and they've got all the momentum to go and get something out of the game

Fairly sure literally every single study done on "momentum" has proven that it doesn't exist. Don't know if they've done soccer (probably). Depends how much stock you put into that type of study I suppose. Psychologically you remember the times defending a lead backfires far more than the times you hold on and win. Poker players will be familiar with this as you remember times when you are all-in as a massive favourite but your opponents hit a miracle card on the river and you lose big far more vividly than the times when it just goes as expected and you win.

That said this season it is happening more often than usual but there are other factors (I think our usual fitness edge has been reduced by such a weak squad depth [especially in defence]).

 

[banno]

i have no idea why he says this, 2-0 is one of the worst scorelines imo with regards to winning, team pulls it back to 2-1 and they've got all the momentum to go and get something out of the game whereas you're wondering for the last 10 mins whether to hold out or go for the 3rd and kill the game off. different if you're winning 1-0 and they peg it back to 1-1 because you know you have to go attacking again for the winner, but i'd say 2-0 is a tricky lead - but against half the teams in this prem, you should always go for the killer 3rd. Not outright attack, but that's the thing with us lately we don't seem to try and go for that kill.

Take fulham for example, where we were 2-1 up and had numerous opportunities for 3, 4 and 5, but sadly it just wasn't our day and fulham got one of the flukiest results in the prem. Since them, i haven't seen us be so dynamic this season and in the league i don't think we've looked like scoring 4 or 5 in a game since, whereas we looked like doing it every game before. We wouldn't have got that unlucky every week and probably would have won more than we have drawn.

Excellent point made.

 

[davek]

http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk...rton-fc-in-more-ways-than-one-99623-32982587/

Mark Lawrenson: It’s the end of an era for Everton FC – in more ways than one

"EVERTON stand very much at a crossroads. And I get the feeling we may now be seeing the end of an era at Goodison. The reverberations from the FA Cup defeat to Wigan Athletic will be felt for a long time to come.

David Moyes will be beating himself up over the result. He’s normally bad when Everton lose, so we can only guess what state he was in on Saturday evening.

It will be interesting to see what happens now, with the players, the manager and, yes, the board of directors.
Every time Everton bring in good players, you know the board will ultimately end up selling them at a profit.

Great for the bank balance, but look where that philosophy has got Arsenal; no trophies in eight years and this is for a club that has about £50million in the bank rather than being nearly £50m in debt. The big thing for Moyes is what direction the club is heading. That’s why he has delayed contract talks until the end of the season, and I honestly believe he will now be seeing if there are other options available.

And if Moyes thinks it’s time to go after 11 years, what about Roberto Martinez becoming the new Everton manager?"

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[BadWool76]

I honestly hand on heart believe Martinez is already being talked too by Everton. Moyes is gone

Good shout about Neville there as well. Pretty much telling him to pack it in because he simply isn't good enough

 

[davek]

I honestly hand on heart believe Martinez is already being talked too by Everton. Moyes is gone

Good shout about Neville there as well. Pretty much telling him to pack it in because he simply isn't good enough

If they put in a below par performance against City the pressure on Moyes to speak again on his contract situation will be massive.

 

[nigelcoyb]

I honestly hand on heart believe Martinez is already being talked too by Everton. Moyes is gone

Good shout about Neville there as well. Pretty much telling him to pack it in because he simply isn't good enough

Hope so I've been banging on about Martinez since his swansea days hopefully he'll see the free hand Moyes has had not to mention the incredible salary but the idea of Kenwright thinking ahead takes some believing.

Whatever happens I agree Moyes has gone and imo 90% made his mind up last season.