Yeah but Wenger was restricted most of that time while the club was building a new stadium. look at our transfer dealings last since we won a trophy last. We have sold for more than 40 million that we bought for. Yes now we are back to being rich and he has to deliver, but he was severely restricted for few years. Also the reason why Wenger gets alot of credit is he changed our club completely. From boring Arsenal we became a club that was known for its way to play. Im not saying Moyes couldnt win trophies with better budget. But I just feel 11 years at Everton he could have got a league cup or something so he could end peoples doubt about him being able to win.
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Yeah but Wenger was restricted most of that time while the club was building a new stadium. look at our transfer dealings last since we won a trophy last. We have sold for more than 40 million that we bought for. Yes now we are back to being rich and he has to deliver, but he was severely restricted for few years. Also the reason why Wenger gets alot of credit is he changed our club completely. From boring Arsenal we became a club that was known for its way to play. Im not saying Moyes couldnt win trophies with better budget. But I just feel 11 years at Everton he could have got a league cup or something so he could end peoples doubt about him being able to win.
steken1
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Your right he should have. TBH I think Wenger did amazingly well initially because he knew French football inside out and and harvested all their best players just as their 'golden generation' came to the fore.
He still gets good players but he isn't bringing that many through he hasn't paid big money for and he's signed more than a few donkeys.
Yeah if you ignore the £50m-70m extra Arsenal spend on wages their budgets are similar. An extra £52m a year in wages is enough to pay 10 new players £100k a week.
Do you acknowledge that it is easier to be "brave" if you have the options to be so? We went into a cup final with one half fit striker and a bench full of kids. Chelsea had £150k a week players to bring on.
Yet he was utterly ****e when in charge of Everton and Moyes took his squad 10 places higher in the league with 12 months. So how do you explain that?
Hes spent £120m on players in the last 3 Years mate.
nigelcoyb
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Is it fair comment to say Wenger "built" modern day Arsenal?
I always argue the wages he pays are self generated from his early transformation - when he took over it wasn't looking too clever but he worked the oracle of winning stuff, playing better football AND making the club a fortune on transfers.
Be interested what you think.
He and and has sold for more. Dont get me wrong, Wenger hasnt done good job in a while. But lets not mix with Wenger not doing good job with Moyes doing a better job. All Im saying is big clubs would be a bit wary of a manager who has never won a trophy. There will be doubt if he can. I also agree that luck plays part, but then you could argue Wenger has been unlucky in some of the finals he's been in like the CL final or the final against Birminghm which we completely dominated and then had a freak mistake in the last minute
This is where net spend is deceptive, it looks like Wenger has been 'severely restricted', but in actual fact he's just sold some of his players for a lot of money and then spent the majority of those funds on new players.
He sold Fabregas and Nasri for £57m, more than enough to replace and strengthen the squad if you know what you're doing. Arsenal really should have won a trophy in the last few years and Wenger's 'budget' is no excuse.
Give Moyes the wage budget and transfer spends of Arsenal and just see what happens.
He sold Fabregas and Nasri for £57m, more than enough to replace and strengthen the squad if you know what you're doing. Arsenal really should have won a trophy in the last few years and Wenger's 'budget' is no excuse.
Give Moyes the wage budget and transfer spends of Arsenal and just see what happens.
His early work is bases of Arsenal being able to build a new stadium and becoming a well respected club. Not only did he completely change the perception of the club. But he made the club so much money early on. I mean the money he made on Petit, overmars and Anelka was almost 50 million and at that time it was alot of money. But he has failed lately. I would let him see out his contract which runs out end of next contract. I think he deserve one more season and thats it
Look Wenger is a great Manager or should that be was a great Manager, he built some amazing teams who played some superb football, I just feel personally he has failed to adjust to the likes of City throwing money around and lets face it has bought some terrible players.
GervinLOLo.
Is he a "better" Manager than Moyes? Yes, probably, has he won a lot more than Moyes? Hell yes, but could he have done the same job as Moyes at Everton? I doubt it, VERY much.
Phenom
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That's pretty clear cut what Jags is saying there, to me anyway.
I agree with him as well.
Lyon is the perfect example. if you keep selling quality proven players, it gets harder and harder to find similar quality. I mean Fabregas and Van persie are absolute world class. How easy is it to replace quality like that?
I'm not saying he could replace Fabregas or Van Persie with a player of exactly the same quality mate, but he's bought some utter s***e, and i also don't buy that his transfer 'restrictions' are justification for him not winning a trophy in seven years.
nigelcoyb
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Thanks mate, it's a sore point with some evertonians comparing Moyes early years to Wengers stellar performance the argument runs: Wenger had the basis of a side with Adams et al but as I remember they were for all money on their last legs and quite frankly in decline. The idea Moyes had Rooney as an equivalent "golden hello" cuts no ice - what say you?
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