Club Statement: Coronavirus

[number4.]

Once again I repeat I did not say that ,what I did say was that if all the other teams did it we would be at a disadvantage and should therefore do it .No where did I say I supported it or liked the practice .Please read what I type and not what you think I am thinking ,I chose my words carefully .I agree with your feelings 100% but a business is a business and cannot be left out alone if all the others do it .

the "business is a business" argument is gone when you consider how much (Particularly RS) spend on brand development and the idea of compassion, family, this means more etc.

What they have managed to do is remove all of that value & brand equity (which while BS to many, undoubtedly works as a marketing tool) of all of this with one decision. Their decision to save a few million will cost the many times more in the medium term

 

[catcherintherye]

Today's athletic - needs as massive * as it's written by Simon Hughes....

FIFA is to confirm an indefinite extension to the 2019-20 season across the globe, allowing each country’s football authority to determine when campaigns can finish.

The game’s world governing body will also alter the dates of the summer transfer window and permit contract extensions for players whose deals run out on June 30.

The plans, which are likely to be revealed in the next 48 hours, will afford maximum flexibility with FIFA appreciating the spread of coronavirus is different in each country. This comes after UEFA last week committed to finishing the current season and was moved to deny a report that its own president, Aleksander Ceferin, had set a deadline of August 3 to complete all outstanding games.

While the decision from the highest authority in football does not take null and void off the table, it considerably reduces the chances of seasons being cancelled altogether.

I think we have to be careful what massive Kopite Simon Hughes says. There is a massive agenda within the media to wanting the season to be extended. This at times fluctuates between the inept and bordering the corrupt in the lack of honest, credible reporting. The fact we have had, every couple of days different leaks about playing behind closed doors, almost as an attempt to de-sensitise supporters to the dangers and ethical concerns it would bring is symptomatic of this.

However onto the substance. I don't see an awful lot here. The De Facto end date has moved about a month back to end of July/start of August. This to be is just FIFA washing their hands of any responsibility and fairly placing litigation challenges at the hands of UEFA and competing associations.

As for the "just extend the contracts" this shows the journalists complete misunderstanding of how contracts work. You can't unilaterally just extend contracts. There has to be agreement. What should be being said, is that efforts will be made to seek assurances on how to extend contracts.

My overarching feeling, is we are ripping up the entire football calendar, the transfer window system, the whole eco structure which has taken years to perfect and which there was absolutely no demand to change on the basis of pursuing an end of season circus which may not even be permissible. You'd hope at some point, somebody in the media would have the decency, integrity and bravery to reflect this truth.

 

[matty1878]

On a forum "I dont need to form an arguement" Haha lollollollollollol

Keep it going Matty - you're really proving your right now. Good point!

again - *You're

TICK TOCK

 

[hirons11]

I am now of the opinion that it won’t be voided, it’s looking more and more likely that they’ll be playing again in June, probably behind closed doors.

Well if that's the case the home team should be allowed a one player advantage

 

[bcblue1878]

I don’t need to form an argument. Your so desperate for it to carry on so say “we won the league”

Tory loving club - vomit

He’s still around then? Does he still finish his posts with those emojis trying to make out he’s “only joking”?

 

[Mark barnett]

If there so desperate for this season to be played decide it by penalty shootouts.
Play the remaining fixtures via penaty shootout by having 10 outfield players take penalties whatever the end score counts towards points and goal difference i.e 10-10 would be a point each whereas 10-7 a win and +3 to the winning team.
This would eliminate the risk of injury so no need for vital nhs staff to be present teams wouldn't need to train together so social distancing could be adhered to and the season could be finished at a rapid rate.
OF COURSE THERE WOULD BE NO NEED FOR THIS IF THE SEASON IS VOIDED WHICH IT SHOULD BE.

 

[bluesb1970]

again - you can't even form an argument; must be tough having all the playgrounds closed in fairness

Think the playgrounds are closing everywhere mate, not just in fairness!

 

[Kever10]

I think it quite obvious myself and if you need @matty1878 to advise you on the why and wherefores then you have other problems than I first thought.

Matty thinks, and rightly so, that football shouldn't be played again until it is safe to do so, which could be mid summer, and way past any reasonable timescale to pick up an incomplete, mathematically open season that will have, by that point, been on hold for almost half the length of an entire season.

But this guy is talking about playing the remainder of the games at any given future opportunity and keeping the league open indefinitely, until his team gets the title they are desperate for.

There seems to be a couple on here that are compelled to argue the case of why next season should take precedent of this 1, without seeming to understand that any season, or any annual event for that matter, is planned to take part in a given time frame to capture a moment in time.

It's unfortunate that it has happened as it has, but the season is already tainted. People are literally dying. There should be a decision to end it and focus attempts on people getting better and looking forward, not back.

 

[number4.]

I think we have to be careful what massive Kopite Simon Hughes says. There is a massive agenda within the media to wanting the season to be extended. This at times fluctuates between the inept and bordering the corrupt in the lack of honest, credible reporting. The fact we have had, every couple of days different leaks about playing behind closed doors, almost as an attempt to de-sensitise supporters to the dangers and ethical concerns it would bring is symptomatic of this.

However onto the substance. I don't see an awful lot here. The De Facto end date has moved about a month back to end of July/start of August. This to be is just FIFA washing their hands of any responsibility and fairly placing litigation challenges at the hands of UEFA and competing associations.

As for the "just extend the contracts" this shows the journalists complete misunderstanding of how contracts work. You can't unilaterally just extend contracts. There has to be agreement. What should be being said, is that efforts will be made to seek assurances on how to extend contracts.

My overarching feeling, is we are ripping up the entire football calendar, the transfer window system, the whole eco structure which has taken years to perfect and which there was absolutely no demand to change on the basis of pursuing an end of season circus which may not even be permissible. You'd hope at some point, somebody in the media would have the decency, integrity and bravery to reflect this truth.

Yeah - I couldn't find a larger Asterix to put at the top of the post & for sure this is absolutely agenda focused, but at the same time FIFA have at least left the door a jar when it comes to the contract situation. I cannot see the clubs being legally forced to continue to be pay out of contract players, but at least the will have the option too, presumably on some sort of rolling mechanic until the season concludes if not voided. If you take chelsea for example; Pedro, Willian & Giroud are all out of contract at the end of the June, should the league continue into July, losing 3 of your forwards would seem particularly harsh.

All of the vested interests seem to be keen to facilitate this season coming to a conclusion across Europe & while my personal opinion is that void is the most likely outcome, I am becoming increasingly convinced that football as we know it is gone for a few years......

The "concentrate on next season in August" argument is start to dwindle as the realization, that this is probably unrealistic either way dawns. Where I think the Football Authorities are trying to get to, is a mindset that football continues when it is safe, it's paused when it's not. Taking this season out of the discussion, one of the big fears for everyone commercially involved would be a second suspension next winter (assuming there is football in between) and the need for another void season. To void once, would be harsh on harsh on some, but understandable in such circumstances, to do it twice would damage the game beyond repair. It would devalue the game massively across the globe & fans would be questioning the point in watching a game in September, if the likelyhood of a conclusion to a season is beyond doubt.

Ultimately, we are going into an 18 month period of severe changes to the football cycles, we already have a Euros delayed 12 months, extra internationals to play which don't have dates, a WC in the middle of Winter in a desert and no certainty about if this season will be concluded or when next season will kick off.

With all of this ambiguity, contracts will also need flexibility, including broadcasting, player contracts and timetables. FIFA, UEFA and the leagues all seem to be beginning to set the wheels in motion to facilitate this & while my guess is only as good as anyone else's I think football will become far more liquid with Transfer windows, season structures and dates and major tournaments having to move around to facilitate pauses through winter, more delays, possibly legal disputes and more congestion to calendars.

 

[Groucho]

Again - you cant give a single reason why. Why is riskier to play a game from this season than next?

Good man - spouting rubbish again. Not issue with you hammering home the void, void, void; it's certainly the most likely outcome, but you continue to suggest playing a game from this season when safe is risking lives, yet cant give a reason??

your a dog with a bone I’ve told you a million reasons in other posts. They’re throwing things around so just try and make people think they actually are looking at alternatives. Make no mistake it’s getting voided im certain.

even if it doesn’t but it will you can have your three quarters of a title and shove it we’re the sun don’t shine. Vermin disgrace of a football club. You wonder why everyone hates you.

Too childish for my liking this. Grow up the pair of you.

 

[blue to the bone]

Matty thinks, and rightly so, that football shouldn't be played again until it is safe to do so, which could be mid summer, and way past any reasonable timescale to pick up an incomplete, mathematically open season that will have, by that point, been on hold for almost half the length of an entire season.

But this guy is talking about playing the remainder of the games at any given future opportunity and keeping the league open indefinitely, until his team gets the title they are desperate for.

There seems to be a couple on here that are compelled to argue the case of why next season should take precedent of this 1, without seeming to understand that any season, or any annual event for that matter, is planned to take part in a given time frame to capture a moment in time.

It's unfortunate that it has happened as it has, but the season is already tainted. People are literally dying. There should be a decision to end it and focus attempts on people getting better and looking forward, not back.

If there was never football played again and liverpool did not win the league matty would be happy with that. If city were 25 clear he would not be getting worked up.

 

[4737carlin]

Any sympathy that they would have had for their fate will now be gone with the furloughing episode. Void it

I still think they now this themselves, the club I mean

 

[catcherintherye]

Yeah - I couldn't find a larger Asterix to put at the top of the post & for sure this is absolutely agenda focused, but at the same time FIFA have at least left the door a jar when it comes to the contract situation. I cannot see the clubs being legally forced to continue to be pay out of contract players, but at least the will have the option too, presumably on some sort of rolling mechanic until the season concludes if not voided. If you take chelsea for example; Pedro, Willian & Giroud are all out of contract at the end of the June, should the league continue into July, losing 3 of your forwards would seem particularly harsh.

All of the vested interests seem to be keen to facilitate this season coming to a conclusion across Europe & while my personal opinion is that void is the most likely outcome, I am becoming increasingly convinced that football as we know it is gone for a few years......

The "concentrate on next season in August" argument is start to dwindle as the realization, that this is probably unrealistic either way dawns. Where I think the Football Authorities are trying to get to, is a mindset that football continues when it is safe, it's paused when it's not. Taking this season out of the discussion, one of the big fears for everyone commercially involved would be a second suspension next winter (assuming there is football in between) and the need for another void season. To void once, would be harsh on harsh on some, but understandable in such circumstances, to do it twice would damage the game beyond repair. It would devalue the game massively across the globe & fans would be questioning the point in watching a game in September, if the likelyhood of a conclusion to a season is beyond doubt.

Ultimately, we are going into an 18 month period of severe changes to the football cycles, we already have a Euros delayed 12 months, extra internationals to play which don't have dates, a WC in the middle of Winter in a desert and no certainty about if this season will be concluded or when next season will kick off.

With all of this ambiguity, contracts will also need flexibility, including broadcasting, player contracts and timetables. FIFA, UEFA and the leagues all seem to be beginning to set the wheels in motion to facilitate this & while my guess is only as good as anyone else's I think football will become far more liquid with Transfer windows, season structures and dates and major tournaments having to move around to facilitate pauses through winter, more delays, possibly legal disputes and more congestion to calendars.

Yes some good points in there.

You did put an asterik, which was a good thing to do, I just thought I'd re-enforce it slightly. I think a lot of the journalism at this point has been really below par. 90%+ of it is not even in the right ballpark for what needs to be asked and discussed. The sensationalism rather than critical analysis isn't helpful. It's just going to mean that one particular fanbase get massively annoyed if the season is voided. I doubt the Hughes's care, but I do, we have a moral responsibility not to wind people up unduly in widely read publications.

As for the rest, there's a fair bit of supposition. I suspect we have a vaccine by next winter, and I also think we have learnt a lot more about the illness. However you are right to raise the potential of other difficulties. I also agree with you that we don't want to damage further seasons. Starting next season late really, really risks that. It's not a prudent risk football should take.

I am a realist, and don't doubt sacrifices will have to come. My perspective is that more of a focus has to be given to next season. Planning needs to be being done for that now. I also think that if we are going to make changes, and alterations, this can only really be done in any sort of a fair way if it's done with a fresh competition. Introducing changes within a season is extremely unfair and ethically wrong.

I think football really needs to start signposting better. We need clarity at this point. The seasons should be voided now, and options discussed about how we can try to repeat next season. Hopefully consent and agreement can be sort from all 2 clubs that this may involve finishing behind closed doors. Once we all know where we are heading, those discussions are easier. All we are doing now is wasting time.

As a final point on the contracts, I do think more thought needs to be given to it than that. Who is paying for these extensions? I don't think you can allow some teams to have an extension, and others not. Secondly we need to consider how we are going to convince players who have better offers on the table to stay at an existing club, without being financially penalised. This needs agreement to be gained. We need to know where that money is coming from. Who is paying for all of this?

If it's a choice between Everton having to pay the likes of Niasse for months to come, or not, it's an easy option what we should go for. If we have to keep Niasse, I want to know who's funding that before I agree, as you can be as sure as hell we shouldn't be.

 

[toffeejack]

if ever a club deserved this to happen to it's the RS, football is such an afterthought atm, think the disgusting way that cult has behaved they don't deserve anything, but that's always been the case tbf

 

[number4.]

Too childish for my liking this. Grow up the pair of you.

You're right, I shouldn't have engaged with it. Apologies to the majority on here.....