Bruce Arena Era 2: Electric Boogaloo. USMNT Super Thread

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Yank said:
You're simply thinking of Linemans, Linebackers, Fullbacks and Quarterbacks.... Most WR, RB, CB, and Safeties tend to have quick feet, great pace, and are in the 5'8-6'0 range. Their bodies are conditioned for football but they are supreme athletes. These guys don't train to fit in the mold of soccer players but could, just like a lot of the more athletic soccer players train for soccer not to build athletic skills for American football. A lot of these athletes if soccer were chosen could potentially end up as great players.

For Basketball, again, you are thinking about a small portion of players who play the sport. Most who play the sport aren't even close to 6'5 and don't make it pro, but are extremely athletic. Across the country their are college basketball programs with a lack of height, and guys over 6'5. However they are filled with quick, coordinated players under 6'5, with the guards being largely under 6'2 down to the 5'8 range. I'm not saying it's a great chance these guys make great soccer players, but their is definitely a drain of talent potential.

Additionally, no, the difference in compensation between soccer and american football isn't even close. A two year career in the NFL at the minimum will far exceed what the average MLS player makes over the course of career. The floor is higher, and the ceiling is much higher. The minimum yearly salary is 64,500 in the MLS, you make that in NY, LA, Chicago, and that's not a great salary at all. The minimum in the NFL is 465,000. Average players in the MLS have to play years to make what comparably skilled players in American football make. Their isn't more advertising potential either. Only the top of the top make any kind of endorsement money that is sizable in US soccer.

You seem to just be talking about stuff you don't understand or know much about at all. I would advise to just give it up because I can refute almost anything I've seen you post. I don't attempt to try to diagnose the issues in the English youth system or wherever you are from because I wasn't raised their, and I don't know the ins and outs like you would. I think you should consider doing the same when it comes to discussing American soccer. You're woefully ignorant.



No, lower income kids do not play much at all. In the inner cities, the two sports are basketball and football. Basketball courts are all over cities for kids to play pick up games in, participate in recreational leagues, or just go an practice whenever they like. Football has a much bigger following and you find a lot of older men in cities trying to be role models for kids and keep them off the street, doing a lot to just get them to go to practice. People look at it as a way out, be it just for a scholarship or professional.

For soccer, that kind of thing doesn't exist. Parents have to usually drive kids decent distances to practices, even further to games. It's set up up in a way that does not facilitate impoverished people to play. If you are the child of a single parent, and they work multiple jobs... Then you are likely eliminated from playing soccer because it places such a burden on the parents in driving to and from practice and games. Their aren't fields in cities, and if their is, most of them are not open to the public.

This is America, this isn't Brazil, Nigeria, or Yugoslavia. The culture is completely different and the structure around the sport is completely different. The peope playing and attracted to the sport are completely different. It will take a very unique system to create an effective youth system here due to schooling, and the NCAA being essentially used as player development also.

Again, I'd advise you to just stop talking about things you clearly know nothing about. It's a bit tiring to read.
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Excuse after excuse, it would be quicker to say " we just can't cut it " instead of trying to peddle a load of different excuses.
 
Looks like the last World Cup was the last rally of this lot. Now a mixture of over the hill and not good enoughs. Pulisic aside there’s no sign of anything decent coming through
 
Moomin said:
Excuse after excuse, it would be quicker to say " we just can't cut it " instead of trying to peddle a load of different excuses.
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Oh no you're right. I disagree with the premise of his post. All that talent would be wasted because of the coaching on this country. Not really excuse after excuse.

The focus is on getting better and realizing potential. Not saying they should have made it because they clearly shouldn't have. Making it out as just excuse after excuse comes across with just not liking what I said but being unable to actually refute any of it.
 
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Moomin said:
They have beat Ghana and India. Imagine the scoreline if the US of A had money to fund Soccer players? It's not fair the likes of India and Ghana have this advantage over the US of A.
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So at this point you're just going to troll? I'm glad you've made it so clear. Have fun.

The federation is getting killed for spending so much and having so little return.
 
Yank said:
Hockey is not cheaper to play than Soccer. Not even close. However, they don't really get any athletes either. Sorry to nitpick, but I agree with most of your post, especially the last paragraph.
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Hockey would be another example of elitist pay to play systems. Sorry if I made it come off differently; I was on a bit of a rant.

In high school I knew some club hockey players (because very few public school systems here have a hockey program, if any) and they were all clearly from very well-off families. And then at the same time, those kids hardly ever go to play at a higher level and when they do, they aren't exceptional. I just looked it up: there are 271 NHL Hall of Fame players. Among those are 14 Americans. That's staggering seeing as the NHL is an American league.
 
abelard said:
Do lower income kids just not play at all? Or are they just not scouted? Being middle-class surely has its advantages, but it's not like extreme poverty has held back Brazil, or Nigeria, or the former Yugoslavia among many others.
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You've gotten your fair share of stick for this but surely you must realize it's about accessibility in those countries. It's as simple as culture as well. I independently fell in love with football. I am the only one in my family who gives a toss about it at all. It's all about "real" football or going to baseball games. My father constantly mocks my love for the sport saying things like "oh, did someone actually score in this one?" or "oh how exciting, a 1-1 draw!"

Kids are born with baseball gloves or American footballs in their hands here rather than a football
 
Yank said:
So at this point you're just going to troll? I'm glad you've made it so clear. Have fun.

The federation is getting killed for spending so much and having so little return.
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Just highlighting the point regarding money with a sprinkling of sarcasm.

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obc said:
If it makes you feel any better, had Paraguay scored rather than conceded around the 85th minute last night, they'd be in and Peru out, Colombia needing a playoff to qualify. CONMEBOL has higher quality teams, but is still very CONCACAF-y.

Agree on the pay to play bs. Our best potential players are probably kicking the ball around their neighborhoods, barrios and what not rather than some academy. Might be hungrier as well... I don't doubt part of Dempsey's fire (as opposed to Landycake's wishy-washy attitude) lie in his humble upbringing.
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Re: USMNT and Dempsey, my line remains that until Dempsey is every man on the squad, or the ones that don't make the cut, and not the best player on the squad, we'll do nothing significant. But that requires complete, systemic changes in soccer ball player kids development from the very youngest, but most importantly, up to the 12-18 range. When Dempsey was a kid he traveled 6 hours round trip to practice with his club team, and that's unacceptable. It's fantastic to see the progress that FCD are making with their academy, which may be the best in the US, but if that success can only be had with large money clubs, it's not success at all.
 
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