Current Affairs Bristol Shenanigans

[Spadge Vernacular]

No, which is why the peaceful protest last week went along just fine.

If people are there just to cause trouble and incite violence then the police can’t be seen to be letting that happen so I have no defence for anybody involved in those scenes last night.

I don’t think they should be used to defend the governments draconian bill though.

I am not defending the bill, I am just annoyed that this small cohort of cretins' have given the powers that be the rationale to table it in the first place.

 

[Amw79]

This bill is nothing to do with the BLM or women’s right marches, for me.

I can see an argument that the bill gives the government much more powers in the event of future large scale protests about the crippling austerity which will be government policy in the coming years.

 

[tsubaki]

As much as you may wish to, you cannot spin away the realities of these, the real cretins, behaviour. If they have been politically motivated then they are political halfwits as they have played right into Tory hands. Our liberties will suffer because of the few that know better than the rest.

I cannot imagine any right-minded person would watch the videos I just posted from the BLM riots and think that this was OK and going to end well.

The legislation does cover the cretins' statue fetish as well as maximum sentences for low-level assaults against emergency service (increased to two years) which I expect the Bristol police will be looking to enforce upon the cretins from last night. The police will also be able to enforce start and finish times but the cretins don't listen to anyone so I expect there will be lots of arrests to come.

Utter crap this.

For a start, once again everything in the rows you posted is already illegal, was illegal at the time and isn’t in this Bill.

The increase in two years for assaulting an emergency services worker isn’t relevant here - for those events, what people have been dealt with previously and what will probably happen to those we saw last night, they’d be charged with violent disorder or various forms of assault (attempted or substantive GBH / attempted murder) which would attract higher sentences and would be easier to prove in court anyway.

So these idiots actions are already punishable; what is being targeted in this bill is what I mentioned earlier - the majority of BLM protests (which were not violent), the majority of XR protests (again not violent), and indeed any non-violent protest that the government disapproves of.

I’d have thought that would be obvious from the fact that the Bill contains only things going after non violent protests, but obviously not.

 

[Blues Harp]

The Government wouldn't have the support needed if not for the violence at BLM, Sarah Everard & now Bristol + numerous other places during a global pandemic when large gatherings are ILLEGAL.

The rent a mob idiots have signed their own death warrant. I saw pictures of the Liverpool protesters and 90% looked about 17 - still getting their arses wiped by mum and dad what do they know about politics seriously its an excuse to get out the house and rebel against the rules as is the nature of teenagers.

Unfortunately they've gone and done it now and likely kicked lockdown further down the road and infected a few relatives in the process.

Forget a nice summer of freedom thanks to these clowns.

They know more about politics than you do lad.....get up off your knees for a change.

 

[Barnfred 55]

"Causing a public nuisance", and the bill, to my understanding, gives the police and home secretary all the leeway they like to define it, which is the more sinister part for me.

Madly, "causing a public nuisance" currently has no maximum sentence codified in law!

The powers given to the Home Secretary is definitely the part of the bill that worries me the most.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

They know more about politics than you do lad.....get up off your knees for a change.

Would you have the same support for these people had they given you or a loved one Covid mate?

These are the same clowns who were at Sefton Park on St Paddys day they aint no Che Guevara.

Fairweather Protesters I call them - only want to show anger and outrage when social media tells them its edgy enough to do so.

 

[ChesterBlue]

Would you have the same support for these people had they given you or a loved one Covid mate?

These are the same clowns who were at Sefton Park on St Paddys day they aint no Che Guevara.

Fairweather Protesters I call them - only want to show anger and outrage when social media tells them its edgy enough to do so.

Protesting a bill which takes away rights for peaceful protest is not the same as going for a piss up on Sefton Park.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Utter crap this.

For a start, once again everything in the rows you posted is already illegal, was illegal at the time and isn’t in this Bill.

The increase in two years for assaulting an emergency services worker isn’t relevant here - for those events, what people have been dealt with previously and what will probably happen to those we saw last night, they’d be charged with violent disorder or various forms of assault (attempted or substantive GBH / attempted murder) which would attract higher sentences and would be easier to prove in court anyway.

So these idiots actions are already punishable; what is being targeted in this bill is what I mentioned earlier - the majority of BLM protests (which were not violent), the majority of XR protests (again not violent), and indeed any non-violent protest that the government disapproves of.

I’d have thought that would be obvious from the fact that the Bill contains only things going after non violent protests, but obviously not.

If you think that any political motivation for such things was tactically sound then I'd have to question your judgment.

Same if you do not think that they have played right into Tory hands.

I am confident in saying that any right-minded person would watch the videos posted from the BLM riots, and let us be clear, they were riots and not condone such behaviour.

The legislation does cover statue vandalism.

The legislation adds a further incentive against low-level assaults against emergency services.

The police will also be able to enforce start and finish times at future protests.

The cretins won't listen.

I am not happy with the bill in the slightest but if you can't see the validity of the points raised then it's probably because you shout from an echo chamber.

edit: double copy

 

[dead_soft]

Would you have the same support for these people had they given you or a loved one Covid mate?

These are the same clowns who were at Sefton Park on St Paddys day they aint no Che Guevara.

Fairweather Protesters I call them - only want to show anger and outrage when social media tells them its edgy enough to do so.

So you have both an issue with people protesting but, conversely, an issue that they are fair-weather protestors who do not protest enough. Another thought through post by the brainy lad.

 

[Deleted member 43796]

There are two types of protest for me - meaningful ones that attempt to change something i.e Poll Tax, Universal Credit heck even these anti Bill protests I would consider meaningful if not being done during a global pandemic.

However the rest are just a load of anger with no sense of direction or clear aims i.e BLM - why protest over the death of a man in the USA whilst in a pandemic? what were the aims in relation to the UK? Why do we never protest over school shootings etc that happen in the US why just that one incident? same as the Sarah Everard protests there was no clear aim it was just a load of anti men/police rhetoric.

Neither of those protests achieved anything other than giving the Tories ammunition to get this Bill passed.

I said at the time as soon as a minority of BLM protesters starting defacing the cenotaph and tearing down statues you'll see a political response at some stage and here we are.

But if GOT had been around in '89-'90, you can bet your house on it that you would've sat and slated the civil disobedience by those work-shy, fairweather, Lefty thugs at the Trafalgar Square demonstrations prior to the Poll Tax bill being defeated.

Also, the peaceful protest related to the murder of Sarah Everard has already effected real political change - the bill would've already passed the second reading and has instead been temporarily shelved.

What gives me hope is that there is sufficient consensus amongst even the most apathetic, that the erosion of our right to peacefully protest and the decision to grant undercover officers the ability to act with impunity, would both have negative consequences on society's freedoms (which were hard-fought and not remotely guaranteed). It's now down to those on the Left to organise and channel people's anger constructively over the coming months if they're to have a chance of moving the needle of public opinion sufficiently to have the bill shelved permanently.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

But if GOT had been around in '89-'90, you can bet your house on it that you would've sat and slated the civil disobedience by those work-shy, fairweather, Lefty thugs at the Trafalgar Square demonstrations prior to the Poll Tax bill being defeated.

Also, the peaceful protest related to the murder of Sarah Everard has already effected real political change - the bill would've already passed the second reading and has instead been temporarily shelved.

What gives me hope is that there is sufficient consensus amongst even the most apathetic, that the erosion of our right to peacefully protest and the decision to grant undercover officers the ability to act with impunity, would both have negative consequences on society's freedoms (which were hard-won and not remotely guaranteed). It's now down to those on the Left to organise and channel people's anger constructively over the coming months if they're to have a chance of moving the needle of public opinion sufficiently to have the bill shelved permanently.

It should be a feature of attacks against the Tory's at the next ballot box, IMO.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

The ones who were there to protest against the draconian new protest law, have my utmost respect. Unfortunately, it was hijacked by nob-ed's who have have actually taken the fight backwards and played into Boz and his dodgy law-making mates, hands.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

But if GOT had been around in '89-'90, you can bet your house on it that you would've sat and slated the civil disobedience by those work-shy, fairweather, Lefty thugs at the Trafalgar Square demonstrations prior to the Poll Tax bill being defeated.

Also, the peaceful protest related to the murder of Sarah Everard has already effected real political change - the bill would've already passed the second reading and has instead been temporarily shelved.

What gives me hope is that there is sufficient consensus amongst even the most apathetic, that the erosion of our right to peacefully protest and the decision to grant undercover officers the ability to act with impunity, would both have negative consequences on society's freedoms (which were hard-fought and not remotely guaranteed). It's now down to those on the Left to organise and channel people's anger constructively over the coming months if they're to have a chance of moving the needle of public opinion sufficiently to have the bill shelved permanently.

The problem is its the minority who have spoilt it for the rest of us.

We have speeding laws to stop the minority of idiots endangering the majority

We have gun laws to prevent the minority of idiots endangering the rest of us

It was inevitable at some stage that if the Left wouldnt get a grip on the minority of militants defacing the cenotaph, smashing innocent peoples businesses and attacking the police etc. then the Government would end up doing something about it.

Sadly the majority who actually peacefully protest in this country will be affected by the actions of the minority and will now only have the Ballot Box to voice future displeasure.

 

[tsubaki]

If you think that any political motivation for such things was tactically sound then I'd have to question your judgment.

Same if you do not think that they have played right into Tory hands.

I am confident in saying that any right-minded person would watch the videos posted from the BLM riots, and let us be clear, they were riots and not condone such behaviour.

The legislation does cover statue vandalism.

The legislation adds a further incentive against low-level assaults against emergency services.

The police will also be able to enforce start and finish times at future protests.

The cretins won't listen.

I am not happy with the bill in the slightest but if you can't see the validity of the points raised then it's probably because you shout from an echo chamber.

edit: double copy

Well, I’ve already said this was a daft way of protesting it last night, and that Johnson, his government and its supporters would spin this as a reason why the bill is needed, so that first point is completely wrong.

Nor was anyone condoning what went on at a couple of BLM demos; the point I was making was that the majority of them weren’t like that.

As for statue vandalism - that was always illegal; that’s why that bloke who decapitated Thatcher in 2002 got three months.

In terms of low level assaults on emergency services workers - the increase in the maximum sentence probably won’t have much effect, as substantial assaults (above ABH) will be charged as such as they’ll be easier to prove.

 

[Blues Harp]

But if GOT had been around in '89-'90, you can bet your house on it that you would've sat and slated the civil disobedience by those work-shy, fairweather, Lefty thugs at the Trafalgar Square demonstrations prior to the Poll Tax bill being defeated.

Also, the peaceful protest related to the murder of Sarah Everard has already effected real political change - the bill would've already passed the second reading and has instead been temporarily shelved.

What gives me hope is that there is sufficient consensus amongst even the most apathetic, that the erosion of our right to peacefully protest and the decision to grant undercover officers the ability to act with impunity, would both have negative consequences on society's freedoms (which were hard-fought and not remotely guaranteed). It's now down to those on the Left to organise and channel people's anger constructively over the coming months if they're to have a chance of moving the needle of public opinion sufficiently to have the bill shelved permanently.

Pity he was fortunate that he never had the "pleasure" of meeting the Special Patrol Group in the late 70s or Maggie's army at places such as Orgreave in 1984.
Or was at the poll tax protests in London.