Current Affairs Bristol Shenanigans

[BlueToff]

But surely they cannot let anarchy and chaos run wild at the best of times, most definitely not in the midst of an extremely dangerous pandemic.

It seems that there was a peaceful protest at the beginning of last night but then a few hundred broke off and headed to the police station area and let loose. Same with the Sarah Everard gathering, initially peaceful gathering but then a core began to agitate. Same with the BLM gatherings.

Same with EDL freaks, Liverpool and Leeds fans, anti-vaxxers etc (probably a lot fall into the same category there).

Fed up of it.

You can't gather atm. Doesn't mean you can't protest and I don't agree with the bill but ffs that's two completely different things.

Hopefully come mid-June we'll all be able to go to the pub, watch Calvert-Lewin bag 10 for England and then go and protest outside Goodison because we're selling him to City.

But until then, we can't gather because there's a virus going round that's killing a fair few people.

 

[BlueToff]

Wish some one would rubber bullet your phone

What are your views on people protesting lockdown and in doing so attending mass gatherings?

 

[tsubaki]

But surely they cannot let anarchy and chaos run wild at the best of times, most definitely not in the midst of an extremely dangerous pandemic.

It seems that there was a peaceful protest at the beginning of last night but then a few hundred broke off and headed to the police station area and let loose. Same with the Sarah Everard gathering, initially peaceful gathering but then a core began to agitate. Same with the BLM gatherings.

Unlike the statue protectors, who kicked off ten minutes after arriving and kept going all day.

I should also point out that most BLM protests, and most Everard protests, were entirely peaceful.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

the spin in terms of “this is why we need this Bill”, which some of the cretinry have already started on

The cretins were smashing windows, burning cars, and attacking people last night.

 

[BlueToff]

Unlike the statue protectors, who kicked off ten minutes after arriving and kept going all day.

I should also point out that most BLM protests, and most Everard protests, were entirely peaceful.

But just because they're peaceful doesn't mean they should be happening during this pandemic.

This point isn't about protests.

It's about the fact that we can't go and gather right now. So people congregating, whether it's peaceful or not, is just the same as those idiots in Sefton Park last week.

Away from the events of last night - which like you say are just illegal regardless - the fact remains that we can't gather for stuff. Whether it's a protest or a vigil or a footy match.

Very soon we will be able to, and it's why that bill needs to be shunned and I find it disgusting it got through. Unfortunately, what happened last night is an easy win for the Tories.

 

[jaycee]

What are your views on people protesting lockdown and in doing so attending mass gatherings?

I dont agree with it,I thought the policing throughout has been very slapdash,football fans given escorts,vigil roughly handled,anti vax protest,allowed,its all randomly policed,I have stuck rigidly to guidelines and although I dont like them I know why they are there

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Unlike the statue protectors, who kicked off ten minutes after arriving and kept going all day.

I should also point out that most BLM protests, and most Everard protests, were entirely peaceful.

And you talk about spin lol

I suppose these are scenes from Holywood film about the BLM riots





The Sarah Everard stuff has been done to death.

To think that there would be no reaction to the behaviours in those videos is naive at best.

 

[tsubaki]

And you talk about spin lol

I suppose these are scenes from Holywood film about the BLM riots





The Sarah Everard stuff has been done to death.

To think that there would be no reaction to the behaviours in those videos is naive at best.

Yes, spin. Those events were (and are) covered by existing legislation, even the idiot who tried to burn the flag on the Cenotaph. The events of last night are too.

There is nothing in this Bill that deals with violent protest, only in terms of damaging statues or monuments (and even that isn’t exactly much, as the maximum sentence for criminal damage is ten years anyway).

 

[edge]

Wish some one would rubber bullet your phone

He adds balance on the forum mate, be a much poorer place without him.
I enjoy his posts even if not many seen to.

 

[BlueToff]

I dont agree with it,I thought the policing throughout has been very slapdash,football fans given escorts,vigil roughly handled,anti vax protest,allowed,its all randomly policed,I have stuck rigidly to guidelines and although I dont like them I know why they are there

I didn't think this was the case?

I agree with your general point though - I'm the same on the lockdown rules.

I just think anyone attending a large gathering should face the consequences right now.

In a few months' time I'm hoping that won't be the case.

 

[Charro]

But surely they cannot let anarchy and chaos run wild at the best of times, most definitely not in the midst of an extremely dangerous pandemic.

It seems that there was a peaceful protest at the beginning of last night but then a few hundred broke off and headed to the police station area and let loose. Same with the Sarah Everard gathering, initially peaceful gathering but then a core began to agitate. Same with the BLM gatherings.

No, which is why the peaceful protest last week went along just fine.

If people are there just to cause trouble and incite violence then the police can’t be seen to be letting that happen so I have no defence for anybody involved in those scenes last night.

I don’t think they should be used to defend the governments draconian bill though.

 

[Charro]

I know people shouldn’t be allowed to gather outside to protest during these times but I’ve been to Crosby and Croxteth park over the last few weeks and they were as busy as I’ve ever seen them, so I’m not going to throw people under the bus for protesting.

Scenes like last night though aren’t helpful no matter the situation and there’s no defence for the people involved.

 

[jaycee]

I didn't think this was the case?

I agree with your general point though - I'm the same on the lockdown rules.

I just think anyone attending a large gathering should face the consequences right now.

In a few months' time I'm hoping that won't be the case.

Well not given permission but still walked the streets with very little intervention,throughout all of this there has been mixed messages and mixed enforcement of protocol,different forces seem to have different approaches,a vigil could go ahead as it could be socially distanced but that then opens it up to different kinds of gathering,its very difficult to police no matter what approach is used

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Yes, spin. Those events were (and are) covered by existing legislation, even the idiot who tried to burn the flag on the Cenotaph. The events of last night are too.

There is nothing in this Bill that deals with violent protest, only in terms of damaging statues or monuments (and even that isn’t exactly much, as the maximum sentence for criminal damage is ten years anyway).

As much as you may wish to, you cannot spin away the realities of these, the real cretins, behaviour. If they have been politically motivated then they are political halfwits as they have played right into Tory hands. Our liberties will suffer because of the few that know better than the rest.

I cannot imagine any right-minded person would watch the videos I just posted from the BLM riots and think that this was OK and going to end well.

The legislation does cover the cretins' statue fetish as well as maximum sentences for low-level assaults against emergency service (increased to two years) which I expect the Bristol police will be looking to enforce upon the cretins from last night. The police will also be able to enforce start and finish times but the cretins don't listen to anyone so I expect there will be lots of arrests to come.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Again it amazes me the anger you have for 'the Left' far outweighs your anger for a government who are deliberately using the pandemic as a chance to push through legislation which curtails your freedom to hold the government to account, and therefore reduce protest to a merely performative charade

There are two types of protest for me - meaningful ones that attempt to change something i.e Poll Tax, Universal Credit heck even these anti Bill protests I would consider meaningful if not being done during a global pandemic.

However the rest are just a load of anger with no sense of direction or clear aims i.e BLM - why protest over the death of a man in the USA whilst in a pandemic? what were the aims in relation to the UK? Why do we never protest over school shootings etc that happen in the US why just that one incident? same as the Sarah Everard protests there was no clear aim it was just a load of anti men/police rhetoric.

Neither of those protests achieved anything other than giving the Tories ammunition to get this Bill passed.

I said at the time as soon as a minority of BLM protesters starting defacing the cenotaph and tearing down statues you'll see a political response at some stage and here we are.