Black Saturday

[davek]

Don't know about that Dave, it was that tough love that hounded poor Ross Barkley out of the club.



That means something that should never happen has actually happened numerous times in the last few years. What an astounding period of sporting history we are living in.

That wasn't tough love, that was bullying.

 

[Mickey]

Black Saturday lollollol

 

[chrissyjack]

Compare Saturday 25th August 2018 to Saturday 6th November 1982 . Now THAT is the real Black Saturday

 

[billyblue80]

It's actually defensively a typical performance away, I am happy we at least look threatening going forward now. Hoping Silva can sort out the backline.

 

[Brisan123]

Haha, really quite over-the-top this...

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I’m sure you will be thrilled to learn you are not alone in that regard

 

[ClausThomsen]

That’s why is just rather be outclassed sometimes. Like let season, at least every man and his dog knew we just weren’t good enough. It sucks but you can move past it. Knowing we’re stopping ourselves from getting what we want is far far more annoying.

I could be taking this the wrong way but that sounds like you would rather have the "Plucky little Everton" head-patting tag? Every single team drops points through mistakes, from Real Madrid to Bootle FC. That's the problem with having humans v humans - mistakes happen. Better quality players make less mistakes but they still make them.

I'm not sure it's a bizarre position unique to Everton. There's simply not yet enough quality in the squad to consistently win - it's not Everton that.... but simply a sign that there's still a lot of work to do and a lot of positions where we can still improve. How many players have we got that could get into the starting 11 of the majority of Sky6 sides? Not many, if any - still work to do.

 

[BillBrasky]

That wasn't tough love, that was bullying.

No Ross got shipped out because he’s a toothless snake, full of a arrogance and as dumb as a bag of rocks. He’ll be at Stoke or Sunderland soon enough.

 

[Saint Domingo]

I could be taking this the wrong way but that sounds like you would rather have the "Plucky little Everton" head-patting tag? Every single team drops points through mistakes, from Real Madrid to Bootle FC. That's the problem with having humans v humans - mistakes happen. Better quality players make less mistakes but they still make them.

I'm not sure it's a bizarre position unique to Everton. There's simply not yet enough quality in the squad to consistently win - it's not Everton that.... but simply a sign that there's still a lot of work to do and a lot of positions where we can still improve. How many players have we got that could get into the starting 11 of the majority of Sky6 sides? Not many, if any - still work to do.

I definitely don’t want plucky little Everton. I want an Everton that when it plays well enough to win it wins, and when it doesn’t it loses. Instead we have an Everton that for years now regularly seems to find a way to play well enough to win games but find hilariously bizarre reasons not to. It seems to be an eternal hardluck story, one that we never learn from. I feel like we need a defining moment, a real break from ‘Everton that’ to just get over the line once and then we’d do it multiple times again but until that first break happens you just keep eating the feeling that any time we get close to success we’ll find a way to undermine it.

 

[Barnfred 55]

I’m not saying it’s not better than last year, that was a complete aberration. This feels like Moyes and Martinez all over again though. When Everton have an opportunity to do something good we seem to find amazingly different ways to ensure it doesn’t happen.

A lot of the bottom 13 teams are just poor. When the top 6 play well they usually win (even when they don’t play well they usually win). We’re in this bizarre position that maybe only Spurs have been in too where we have been good enough to do stuff but seem to be held back by this really annoying propensity to shoot our selves in the foot. If we finish outside the top 6 this season we’ll look at the points gap and I bet we’ll easily be able to say that we could have bridges it if it hadn’t of been for a few key games that we Evertoned up. That’s why is just rather be outclassed sometimes. Like let season, at least every man and his dog knew we just weren’t good enough. It sucks but you can move past it. Knowing we’re stopping ourselves from getting what we want is far far more annoying.

I'll go out on a limb and say both Wolves and Bournemouth will finish top 10 this year. Even City failed to get a win at wolves so we're in good company. Yes it's annoying that both games we failed to see out winning positions. But I'd still rather be in a position where I'm disappointed with a draw, than relieved with a draw. If that makes sense.

 

[MikeH72]

Do you honestly never get the feeling that you’re watching the same tragic story with Everton? It becomes a self fulfilling prophecy as well. Even at 2-0 up 10 v 10 there was a feeling we somehow wouldn’t come away with 3 points just like there was in the Wolves game. That feeling will only be strengthened further now. I’d rather we’d just won one of them like we should have and been beaten normally in the other one. We’d have more points for a start and less of the feeling that we will always find a way to mess anything good up at Everton.

Tell you what though, meekly rolling over and giving up away games is even more frustrating and “Everton that” than playing well and throwing it away.

 

[Goat]

I definitely don’t want plucky little Everton. I want an Everton that when it plays well enough to win it wins, and when it doesn’t it loses. Instead we have an Everton that for years now regularly seems to find a way to play well enough to win games but find hilariously bizarre reasons not to. It seems to be an eternal hardluck story, one that we never learn from. I feel like we need a defining moment, a real break from ‘Everton that’ to just get over the line once and then we’d do it multiple times again but until that first break happens you just keep eating the feeling that any time we get close to success we’ll find a way to undermine it.

But we didnt deserve to win either game, we didnt blow either team away, sure we played well with 10 men, but there is no hard luck story, we failed to keep a lead in both games, our players made mistakes and we got what we deserved.

 

[fandjango]

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I’m sure you will be thrilled to learn you are not alone in that regard

Just an attention seeker making a noise

 

[brieverton]

I definitely don’t want plucky little Everton. I want an Everton that when it plays well enough to win it wins, and when it doesn’t it loses. Instead we have an Everton that for years now regularly seems to find a way to play well enough to win games but find hilariously bizarre reasons not to. It seems to be an eternal hardluck story, one that we never learn from. I feel like we need a defining moment, a real break from ‘Everton that’ to just get over the line once and then we’d do it multiple times again but until that first break happens you just keep eating the feeling that any time we get close to success we’ll find a way to undermine it.

I wonder at times if the persistent issue of our away "form" is something that has ever been discussed in a serious way amongst the manager, staff, and squad. Because that's what an improvement and success will ultimately depend on, turning away defeats into draws, and draws to wins. Koeman and Allardyce made passing references to it, but only in a way that that seemed to reinforce an attitude that we couldn't ever really expect much away from home, anyway.

You can of course say we're just not good enough to win more often than not on the road, but we would have won that game yesterday if played at GP. In that sense ability shouldn't be a factor, if it happens over and over then it's mentality and attitude that costs us. Players and the manager consciously or sub-consciously making the wrong game decisions under pressure. That's immensely difficult to correct unless players are replaced one by one, the likes of Jags, Baines etc.

 

[ClausThomsen]

I definitely don’t want plucky little Everton. I want an Everton that when it plays well enough to win it wins, and when it doesn’t it loses. Instead we have an Everton that for years now regularly seems to find a way to play well enough to win games but find hilariously bizarre reasons not to. It seems to be an eternal hardluck story, one that we never learn from. I feel like we need a defining moment, a real break from ‘Everton that’ to just get over the line once and then we’d do it multiple times again but until that first break happens you just keep eating the feeling that any time we get close to success we’ll find a way to undermine it.

Every single team has games where they don't win despite playing well. And Everton aren't excluded from the list of teams who win the majority of games that they deserve to. We've probably pulled out quite a few undeserved draws and wins over the years.

It's not some unique phenomena of the bizarre and unlucky. Things more or less average out, with the odd exception, towards the level of quality within a team. The seasons we've come close to success recently are a mix of slight over achievement on our behalf and under achievement of those sides with better quality. We're not a million miles off but it's a step up in quality that's needed rather than some vaguely defined moment.

 

[Saint Domingo]

I wonder at times if the persistent issue of our away "form" is something that has ever been discussed in a serious way amongst the manager, staff, and squad. Because that's what an improvement and success will ultimately depend on, turning away defeats into draws, and draws to wins. Koeman and Allardyce made passing references to it, but only in a way that that seemed to reinforce an attitude that we couldn't ever really expect much away from home, anyway.

You can of course say we're just not good enough to win more often than not on the road, but we would have won that game yesterday if played at GP. In that sense ability shouldn't be a factor, if it happens over and over then it's mentality and attitude that costs us. Players and the manager consciously or sub-consciously making the wrong game decisions under pressure. That's immensely difficult to correct unless players are replaced one by one, the likes of Jags, Baines etc.

Exactly this.