Billy's future

[billycopper]

What abilities does he have mate?

I'll start you off:

Unorthodox shooting technique that means he can smash it from range
Gets in good attacking positions

I'm not so sure that the way he strikes a ball is unorthodox. I think that his technique is excellent. Like Beckham, the way he hits a ball is exemplary. We know what he's capable of with his shooting. In his first few appearances his crosses caused carnage in the opposition penalty area, but he hasn't been taking up those positions so much. We've seen glimpses of how he can come in round the back or find space by arriving late in the box to poke home chances. There have been flashes of good close control to nutmeg a man and get into the box to set Saha up for a goal. Once or twice he's also demonstrated that he has long range passing in his locker too, but the person receiving the ball (Osman) hasn't been on the same wavelength.

Our delivery from corners and freekicks has been pretty dire for a while now. Why not get Bily in to the routine of taking them rather than giving him the odd one when everyone else messes them up? All the pieces of the jigsaw are there. He's even shown willing to tackle back and get his foot in. We need to help him to put it all together.

 

[Dom1878]

He has a good cross, great shot, isnt afraid to shoot (despite the fact im sure Moyes must tell all our players not to), got a powerful shot, im fairly certain he could take a good freekick.

As far as dribbling is concerned well yes he hasnt shown much, but we have seen some skill from him, and to be honest i think he is one of those players that need to be able to have the freedom to go anywhere in the centre rather than have nowhere to go on the wing.

As someone said, he is good at the impressive things, but its his short range simple passes and the simple tackles that lack, and that may be confidence, it may also be frustration, whatever it is, would it hurt to give him a run in the centre for 3 or 4 games? Or when Cahill next gets injured? Better that and possible realise great potential in a player, or make a loss and sell him.

Also it should be said i dont think it is good for his confidence when people get on his back and blame him for EVERYTHING when sometimes it isnt his fault.

If he doesnt play in the centre for atleast 4 games this season, then sell him, because its unfair to the player, but he is certainly a player we would regret selling.

Also on an unrelated note, His goal against Portsmouth was probably the best ive seen at Goodison

 

[chicoazul]

Scores boss goals but not a lot else.

 

[Silas]

Scores boss goals but not a lot else.

He plays some boss through balls too yea know. Can't remember what game it was last season but he put through at least 3 "killer" balls for Beckford that should have been certain goals. He has vision.

 

[chicoazul]

He plays some boss through balls too yea know. Can't remember what game it was last season but he put through at least 3 "killer" balls for Beckford that should have been certain goals. He has vision.

That's what has disappointed about him so far mate. When he first came he looked like he had a cracking pass on him and we've seldom seen it.

He's been gave lots of opportunities mate, he hasn't taken them/isn't suited to English football.

 

[Dom1878]

Its exactly the same as when we play Osman on the wing, he is useless, but in the centre he is actually useful, why? You dont need to track back, you have freedom to pick a pass in whichever direction, and have the freedom to shoot.

 

[Brownie]

I'm not so sure that the way he strikes a ball is unorthodox. I think that his technique is excellent. Like Beckham, the way he hits a ball is exemplary. We know what he's capable of with his shooting. In his first few appearances his crosses caused carnage in the opposition penalty area, but he hasn't been taking up those positions so much. We've seen glimpses of how he can come in round the back or find space by arriving late in the box to poke home chances. There have been flashes of good close control to nutmeg a man and get into the box to set Saha up for a goal. Once or twice he's also demonstrated that he has long range passing in his locker too, but the person receiving the ball (Osman) hasn't been on the same wavelength.

Our delivery from corners and freekicks has been pretty dire for a while now. Why not get Bily in to the routine of taking them rather than giving him the odd one when everyone else messes them up? All the pieces of the jigsaw are there. He's even shown willing to tackle back and get his foot in. We need to help him to put it all together.

We just disagree on his technique then. Beckham's striking of a ball is exemplary, Bily's is completely different. As I said tho, that's what causes problems for keepers - quite often it's the players that have a strange way of striking the ball that are able to score from long range. I don't think he'd be anything approaching consistent at 40 yard target practice passing.

 

[Dom1878]

We just disagree on his technique then. Beckham's striking of a ball is exemplary, Bily's is completely different. As I said tho, that's what causes problems for keepers - quite often it's the players that have a strange way of striking the ball that are able to score from long range. I don't think he'd be anything approaching consistent at 40 yard target practice passing.

If you watch him in training before the match, the majority of his shots are off target! Strange really, he just strikes in the moment and it goes well for him. Theres not many shots you see him take that arent on target.

 

[chicoazul]

Its exactly the same as when we play Osman on the wing, he is useless, but in the centre he is actually useful, why? You dont need to track back, you have freedom to pick a pass in whichever direction, and have the freedom to shoot.

It's his involvement in the middle mate, he's not someone who is good when "in the thick of the action".

Can't see it working out personally, he's not very good when placed under any sort of pressure, which you get a lot in the middle.

 

[billycopper]

We just disagree on his technique then. Beckham's striking of a ball is exemplary, Bily's is completely different. As I said tho, that's what causes problems for keepers - quite often it's the players that have a strange way of striking the ball that are able to score from long range. I don't think he'd be anything approaching consistent at 40 yard target practice passing.

I don't think it's an accident that he scores so many goals from distance. If it was just down to luck, then he'd be hitting a lot more shots high and wide and getting a load of abuse from Moyes. It's not just his left foot either. We've seen him hit the ball just as sweetly with his right. Technically he's amongst the best players we have. For one thing, who else could we say is truly two-footed? It's just a case of getting him to apply that ability.

It wasn't so long ago that a study found him to be amongst the quickest players in the league. Like Yakubu, he prefers to do his running in short, quick bursts rather than chasing lost causes and closing people down. It's not that he's lazy, it's more because it leaves him less in the tank to do what he's good at. If Moyes is determined to change him, then I don't think it will be for the better.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

Osman has problems playing on the right, he proved last season that's he's perfectly capable of starting from the left and drifting inside. Bilyaletdinov has been given that freedom on the right handside and he just looks as average as he does on the left. On his favoured side he played like Beckham without the quality of delivery, and that style of players needs a good, consistent delivery. Bilyaletdinov doesn't have that, and he was took off set pieces because the ones he was taking got worse and worse.

He said during his first interview with the club that his favoured position was left midfield but could also play on the right. He didn't mention anything about playing in the middle, or behind the striker.

 

[billycopper]

It's his involvement in the middle mate, he's not someone who is good when "in the thick of the action".

Can't see it working out personally, he's not very good when placed under any sort of pressure, which you get a lot in the middle.

I think the left side of a forward three would be his ideal position because then he'd have the freedom to go looking for the ball in the final third and there would be less defensive burden. Donovan's pace and running on the other side would compliment him perfectly. With an on-form Saha in the middle we'd score a lot of goals.

 

[billycopper]

Osman has problems playing on the right, he proved last season that's he's perfectly capable of starting from the left and drifting inside. Bilyaletdinov has been given that freedom on the right handside and he just looks as average as he does on the left. On his favoured side he played like Beckham without the quality of delivery, and that style of players needs a good, consistent delivery. Bilyaletdinov doesn't have that, and he was took off set pieces because the ones he was taking got worse and worse.

He said during his first interview with the club that his favoured position was left midfield but could also play on the right. He didn't mention anything about playing in the middle, or behind the striker.

If you remember his debut for us in the Europa League/UEFA Cup, every time he put the ball in the box it looked like we were going to score. For whatever reason (maybe it's been coached out of him), he's stopped doing that. I couldn't tell you what Moyes expects from him when he plays him wide midfield. He's definitely not a winger. He's more like Sheedy. One of Sheeds' biggest strengths was getting forward to grab a goal. We wouldn't expect him to cover Van den Hauwe too much or to weave his way past players. I think we need to let him get on with his game and not to try and make him fit a rigid and regimented (predictable) system.

 

[Carl Hankin]

i was willing to give him a chance,and when Pienaar left,he blew it...what annoyed me, every time he was gunna look like he was going in for the tackle,he would be looking behind waiting for the likes of baines or some one to give him orders tell him what to do,rather than just getting stuck in,he hasn't got a clue...im sorry to say,but its time for him to go.

 

[Brownie]

I don't think it's an accident that he scores so many goals from distance. If it was just down to luck, then he'd be hitting a lot more shots high and wide and getting a load of abuse from Moyes. It's not just his left foot either. We've seen him hit the ball just as sweetly with his right. Technically he's amongst the best players we have. For one thing, who else could we say is truly two-footed? It's just a case of getting him to apply that ability.

It wasn't so long ago that a study found him to be amongst the quickest players in the league. Like Yakubu, he prefers to do his running in short, quick bursts rather than chasing lost causes and closing people down. It's not that he's lazy, it's more because it leaves him less in the tank to do what he's good at. If Moyes is determined to change him, then I don't think it will be for the better.

I have no problem at all with his work rate and he certainly isn't lazy. In all seriousness tho, I don't think he could outrun Brede Hangeland.

He's not two footed either. He can strike a ball with either foot fairly hard, very hard in the case of his left, that's about it. I bet you he's used that same technique since he was about 11 years old and never had anything about it coached. It's just put all your weight into it, aim at the goal and hope that the strange trajectory makes it go in. If someone showed me footage of him bulleting shots into a specified part of the goal over and over again I'd take it all back.

I can't believe you think that he's 'technically amongst the best players we have'.