Billy's future

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I still have that 'thing' in the back of my head where if we give him a run he will come good. I then just think I like the guy and wish so much he does come good, but my head tells me he needs to move on and play in a different league.
I cant fault Moyes for buying him, the prem is just a tougher league than he has ever played in and many better players have failed in the prem too.
 
I actually watched him play CM for Russia once, he looked a good tidy player, great on the ball.

When he's drifted into the middle he's sprayed the ball about nicely. As a team I don't think we use the wings enough for him to be able to get on the ball and impress. Whoever we play out wide very often finds themselves struggling to make their mark.
 
When he's drifted into the middle he's sprayed the ball about nicely. As a team I don't think we use the wings enough for him to be able to get on the ball and impress. Whoever we play out wide very often finds themselves struggling to make their mark.

Ha, it's nowt to do with that, it's to do with the fact he has no pace, has no understanding with Baines and never gets to the line to put in the cross. He's not a winger, that's the problem with him. He would have thought that out of a Russian international, a Dutch international and some bloke who played for Portsmouth the Portsmouth fella would be the best signing!
 
Ha, it's nowt to do with that, it's to do with the fact he has no pace, has no understanding with Baines and never gets to the line to put in the cross. He's not a winger, that's the problem with him. He would have thought that out of a Russian international, a Dutch international and some bloke who played for Portsmouth the Portsmouth fella would be the best signing!

I agree he's not an out and out winger, but I still say our style of play doesn't give wide men much chance. Coleman has done well but he's very often having to go on runs from near the half way line to get at the opposition. He has to do a lot of the work himself. It's rare for us to play him in. And I think he only provided about 2 assists last season by getting to the byeline and putting the cross over. Our build up play is so slow and laboured that by the time the wide man has the ball our opponents are back in numbers and we have to cut back inside because there's no space to get round the back of them. I don't think Bily has been any worse than Anichebe or Gueye, so it's unfair to single him out.
 
How about switching Billy and Arteta? I imagine he would be just as able to perform the boring crab movements just as well, and we've seen tets work on the wing before?

He does have obvious problems holding on to the ball, not to mention he often fails to meet passes in safe space and balls toward him tend to get intercepted.
 
Doesn't work like that lid. He's paid handsomely to perform and everyone tries to make concessions but in two years he has not done anything of note to suggest he warrants a place in the team or sadly how much we spent on him.

Yeah but he's gash at LM.

Like Ossie is gash at RM.

And Vic is gash up front.

Play players where they play best. Or at least give Bily the chance to play in a position that might work for him.
 
Doesn't work like that lid. He's paid handsomely to perform and everyone tries to make concessions but in two years he has not done anything of note to suggest he warrants a place in the team or sadly how much we spent on him.

I do agree, indeed. But considering the litany of depressing disappointments we've been through, arguably ever since he arrived at the club, few of them have been his responsibility. In terms of shouldering blame he isn't one who take the most of it.

I think the core of our disappointment is that he has been unable to carry the team out of disappointment - i don't think it's a question of ability, it's a question of responsibility. Though those two might be linked, of course - responsibility is always carried by the best players, and most responsibility is given to them as well. Moyes has not given Billy that, and he has seemed unwilling to carry it, too. That's what we need really. Someone needs to point at that kid and tell him to go do something useful on the pitch. Where's Neville's finger?

In an additional note, i doubt he doesn't have the ability to carry it. The problem might just as well be social - he's slightly shy and no leader type, like, that's clear for all to see. The problem might just as well lie in language and confidence, as in russia, he was captain of Lokomotiv Moscow at an age of 22 years. Says something, yeah? That's Fabregas-like, that. Note the EvertonTV interview up on the OS a few weeks ago, where he just keeps being stringed along by the interviewer's questions, interpreting them wrongly and just getting along with it. A person with confidence in his own expression would add something to that, make demands of what he says himself and what is asked of him. Saha and Distin are foreigners in our team who do that, but then again they've been in england for ages.
 
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That is the sentiment of every single evertonian. I think we saw that strength and responsibility in russia and wrongfully thought it would translate to england.

Is there still hope, though? I say forget about playing position, my prescription is language classes of guantanamo-like intensity.
 
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