Current Affairs Belarus…and migrants…..

[Kurt.]

It's straight forward: coming here is not illegal and we take less than our fair share of migrants.

The UK should be taking 500,000 per year. Not somewhere around 150,000 like we do now. Before people start with the nonsense about no houses etc - here's an idea, build some more.

There’s no will to try to accommodate people … this government love using the ‘migrant crisis’ headline as it deflects from all the other catastrophes going on around them

 

[Ghost Rider]

I love this perception people have that you rock up on the beach and get handed the keys to a new house and thousands in handouts… I believe a person seeking asylum lives on about £35 a week whilst awaiting the outcome of their application

The fella the other week was here for 7 years and had money and accomodation, more than one in fact over that time , but was never approved to be here.

So getting things given to them does happen, literally someone was in the news about it

 

[Kurt.]

The fella the other week was here for 7 years and had money and accomodation, more than one in fact over that time , but was never approved to be here.

So getting things given to them does happen, literally someone was in the news about it

I can’t claim to know the whole story but was he not taken in by a local family ?
I honestly don’t know the full details


And there is a world of difference between waiting for an asylum decision to be made and never approved to be here .

 

[grandjoeblue]

The fella the other week was here for 7 years and had money and accomodation, more than one in fact over that time , but was never approved to be here.

So getting things given to them does happen, literally someone was in the news about it

He was in a HMO in Kenny with 4 men in. Hardly the ritz. Bet a slum landlord was making a decent profit off it but again thats down to the profit system that the government love.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I can’t claim to know the whole story but was he not taken in by a local family ?
I honestly don’t know the full details

He had a house , that is the one that they searched twice, but he had another address in Kenny before it. Not sure where he was taken in but that came before it.

 

[Ghost Rider]

He was in a HMO in Kenny with 4 men in. Hardly the ritz. Bet a slum landlord was making a decent profit off it but again thats down to the profit system that the government love.

See things like that should be outlawed then. Clearly being housed under the table so to speak , should be illegal without going through the proper channels. Can't do anything these days without verifying you exist so if it's happening , then it shouldn't be.

 

[Dymak]

A lot of the time they don’t pay the £10,000….. that’s the price of crossing .. that money then has to be paid back through working in gangs at car washes, restaurants etc

Is that the case?

These people aren’t hidden from the authorities upon landing in Britain. They actively seek out the authorities so they can have their claims processed. They have no control of where they reside during the process.

How are they going to be paying off this debt if they are relocated to Aberystwyth, or even Hoylake for that matter? There isn’t some massive modern day slavery epidemic in Hoylake.

What you talk about happens, but it’s a different type of human trafficking. The type where those being trafficked feel unable to seek assistance from the authorities. Those that are normally involved in the underworld of drugs and prostitution.

 

[Kurt.]

See things like that should be outlawed then. Clearly being housed under the table so to speak , should be illegal without going through the proper channels. Can't do anything these days without verifying you exist so if it's happening , then it shouldn't be.

Again I’m not 100% sure how things work but whilst on appeal he may be able to claim assistance for housing.

 

[grandjoeblue]

See things like that should be outlawed then. Clearly being housed under the table so to speak , should be illegal without going through the proper channels. Can't do anything these days without verifying you exist so if it's happening , then it shouldn't be.

It will probably have been legal. A lot of asylum seekers live in HMOs.

That guy did rent a house separately. Haven't got a clue how he paid for that but it won't have been from legitimate benefits as they only get about £40 a week and you're not allowed to work.

 

[Kurt.]

Is that the case?

These people aren’t hidden from the authorities upon landing in Britain. They actively seek out the authorities so they can have their claims processed. They have no control of where they reside during the process.

How are they going to be paying off this debt if they are relocated to Aberystwyth, or even Hoylake for that matter? There isn’t some massive modern day slavery epidemic in Hoylake.

What you talk about happens, but it’s a different type of human trafficking. The type where those being trafficked feel unable to seek assistance from the authorities. Those that are normally involved in the underworld of drugs and prostitution.

There are myriad reasons why this happens. I personally know of an individual from Nigeria who borrowed enough money one week from money lenders as a last resort so he could feed his family … he couldn’t pay the money back and this then escalated to the point where he was forced to leave his home, make a dangerous journey hidden in a lorry to travel all across Europe and into the U.K. to work for the gang masters illegally… living in cramped conditions, getting into your bed as soon as someone else is getting out of it, money being withheld to pay off debts and the added cost of smuggling them across the continent.

Then you have the situation where their family want to follow them so they can be a family… that’s where you sometimes find the sad souls climbing into dinghies on French beaches.

 

[Dymak]

There are myriad reasons why this happens. I personally know of an individual from Nigeria who borrowed enough money one week from money lenders as a last resort so he could feed his family … he couldn’t pay the money back and this then escalated to the point where he was forced to leave his home, make a dangerous journey hidden in a lorry to travel all across Europe and into the U.K. to work for the gang masters illegally… living in cramped conditions, getting into your bed as soon as someone else is getting out of it, money being withheld to pay off debts and the added cost of smuggling them across the continent.

Then you have the situation where their family want to follow them so they can be a family… that’s where you sometimes find the sad souls climbing into dinghies on French beaches.

I don’t doubt this, and could well believe it with you talking about Nigeria. But did he have an ongoing asylum application in place? What would he have done if he was sent to Aberystwyth?

I don’t think this is the ‘business model’ of those that have fled Syria etc. I think many of the people on these dinghies have to pay the money upfront. No money, no place on the boat.

The people smugglers aren’t offering it on tick, and then hoping to monitor them as the British government takes over and processes their application for asylum whilst they reside literally anywhere throughout the UK.

 

[Mr. White]

It's straight forward: coming here is not illegal and we take less than our fair share of migrants.

The UK should be taking 500,000 per year. Not somewhere around 150,000 like we do now. Before people start with the nonsense about no houses etc - here's an idea, build some more.

So, equivalent to the population of Liverpool, each and every single year. Who is going to pay to build a new city every year? Are the poor migrants going to pay to build these cities? Even if funded, could we even build that quickly? It's not "straight forward".

Why stop at 500,000? Since you are plucking figures out of the air, why not 1,000,000 a year? Why not 2,000,000 a year? Why not 5,000,000 a year? 700,000,000 people around the world live in extreme poverty. Should we have open borders and invite them all?

 

[grandjoeblue]

So, equivalent to the population of Liverpool, each and every single year. Who is going to pay to build a new city every year? Are the poor migrants going to pay to build these cities? Even if funded, could we even build that quickly? It's not "straight forward".

Why stop at 500,000? Since you are plucking figures out of the air, why not 1,000,000 a year? Why not 2,000,000 a year? Why not 5,000,000 a year? 700,000,000 people around the world live in extreme poverty. Should we have open borders and invite them all?

Germany and Turkey have taken over a million in a year recently so its definitely possible.

We should do a lot more to help 700m. People forget a large percentage of them are in poverty due to the UKs horrendous history.

 

[Kurt.]

So, equivalent to the population of Liverpool, each and every single year. Who is going to pay to build a new city every year? Are the poor migrants going to pay to build these cities? Even if funded, could we even build that quickly? It's not "straight forward".

Why stop at 500,000? Since you are plucking figures out of the air, why not 1,000,000 a year? Why not 2,000,000 a year? Why not 5,000,000 a year? 700,000,000 people around the world live in extreme poverty. Should we have open borders and invite them all?

Mass migration to the U.K. was down last year to 34,000 from 200,000

 

[urquattro]

It's straight forward: coming here is not illegal and we take less than our fair share of migrants.

The UK should be taking 500,000 per year. Not somewhere around 150,000 like we do now. Before people start with the nonsense about no houses etc - here's an idea, build some more.

Bad for the environment and climate change?.