Current Affairs Belarus…and migrants…..

[peteblue]

So would the UK accept any migrants under your rules? As an island... are we supposed to just ignore it and let the Europe mainland take all migrants?

Europe is very large. Germany offered an open invitation. We keep getting told how wonderful the Eu is. They have open borders. Even the EU has a rule about sending them back to the first entry point. The U.K. has a history of accepting genuine asylum seekers. However, France is now doing a Belarus and just pushing them out to sea. There is a difference between a genuine asylum seeker in fear of their lives and migrants roaming around Europe who then fancy coming to the U.K. assisted by a country who have done sod all to help them…..

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Bruce. Anyone entering the U.K. via nefarious means and without appropriate passports or issued visas is illegal, whether you like it or not….

Not if they're claiming asylum, which nearly all of these people are.

 

[gonetomorrow]

I'm waiting for a story about a Tory minister's connection to dinghy sales in Northern France.

 

[tsubaki]

Europe is very large. Germany offered an open invitation. We keep getting told how wonderful the Eu is. They have open borders. Even the EU has a rule about sending them back to the first entry point. The U.K. has a history of accepting genuine asylum seekers. However, France is now doing a Belarus and just pushing them out to sea. There is a difference between a genuine asylum seeker in fear of their lives and migrants roaming around Europe who then fancy coming to the U.K. assisted by a country who have done sod all to help them…..

France is not doing a Belarus, nor are they “just pushing them out to sea”. These are fairly obvious lies, deployed for fairly obvious reasons.

The only thing that fixes this is allowing people to claim asylum in the UK at British diplomatic facilities in safe third countries. Do that and you can then effectively and fairly police the border, since there’s no excuse to do it now.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Just a thought about these asylum seekers.

If they are fleeing warzones, would they not just be made up of women and children? If you are male and are not old, you would fight back would you not?

The fact that so many of them who are looking to seek asylum being male, should that not be called into question as well? It's also been reported over the years that some of these men leave their wife and kids back home to come here.

There is clearly a line between those who need help and those who don't but want to come here anyway.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

Let's see how the new German coalition will effect things. The Traffic Light coalition is set!

 

[Charro]

Just a thought about these asylum seekers.

If they are fleeing warzones, would they not just be made up of women and children? If you are male and are not old, you would fight back would you not?

The fact that so many of them who are looking to seek asylum being male, should that not be called into question as well? It's also been reported over the years that some of these men leave their wife and kids back home to come here.

There is clearly a line between those who need help and those who don't but want to come here anyway.

They don’t flee because it’s a war zone.

They flee because they face persecution in regards to their race, religion, political affiliation or sexuality.

People can claim asylum from all kinds of countries that aren’t war torn, but have certain regions which are dangerous for some people.

You can claim asylum from Nigeria and China for example.

 

[Charro]

Bruce. Anyone entering the U.K. via nefarious means and without appropriate passports or issued visas is illegal, whether you like it or not….

Hmmm, technically they enter “illegally”, but they won’t be here illegally.

They will only be here “illegally” if they don’t go through the asylum process or are later refused asylum and have no appeal in process.

If someone comes into the country, whether that be on a boat or via the normal route, if they attempt to regularise their stay either by claiming asylum or leave to remain they are then here legally.

If you’re not at attempting to regular your stay then you are here illegally.

 

[nikom court]

genuine questions that the mainstream media wont ask,
what is the attraction of the uk?
why would you risk your own life leaving a safe country like france and put yourself and sometimes your kids into a dinghy to cross a dangerous sea?
what is in the uk that makes it all worthwhile?

 

[Alan Whittle]

genuine questions that the mainstream media wont ask,
what is the attraction of the uk?
why would you risk your own life leaving a safe country like france and put yourself and sometimes your kids into a dinghy to cross a dangerous sea?
what is in the uk that makes it all worthwhile?

I know! One minute you and your loved ones are sipping coffee and sampling cake on the pavement cafes of the Champs-Elysees or wandering happily around The Louvre before an evening of culture at L’Opera and the next heading for possible death, and if you survive, stateless poverty in an undercurrent of hatred.
No wonder the “mainstream media won’t ask.”

 

[tsubaki]

I know! One minute you and your loved ones are sipping coffee and sampling cake on the pavement cafes of the Champs-Elysees or wandering happily around The Louvre before an evening of culture at L’Opera and the next heading for possible death, and if you survive, stateless poverty in an undercurrent of hatred.
No wonder the “mainstream media won’t ask.”

TBF the “mainstream media” are too busy Macroning.

 

[Gabagool]

genuine questions that the mainstream media wont ask,
what is the attraction of the uk?
why would you risk your own life leaving a safe country like france and put yourself and sometimes your kids into a dinghy to cross a dangerous sea?
what is in the uk that makes it all worthwhile?

First of all, let’s establish that the number of people who've found their way to Calais constitutes a relatively small percentage (less than 2%) of all displaced people who’ve sought refuge in Europe due to instability or persecution elsewhere. Also, the myth that is consistently perpetuated is that the UK takes its fair share of refugees. Since the turn of the century, the UK has taken a fraction of displaced people relative to other neighbouring countries in Western Europe, making the process of applying legally progressively more convoluted for those who, for quite obvious reasons, cannot be seen walking into foreign embassies to formally apply.

Often mentioned (and for good reason), speaking the language of a country cannot be underestimated when it comes to negotiating the asylum process, finding meaningful employment and subsequently being able to integrate into society and make a life for yourself. English is still the lingua franca, and thus it’s not at all surprising that people are trying to make their way across the Channel.

I do some volunteering for Utopia56 and AFAFP in Paris, teaching French to newly arrived refugees to aid them in their integration into society and their navigation of complex french administration processes. Whilst they all make good progress and are incredibly keen to learn, picking up a language (often from scratch) gets exponentially more difficult once you become an adult.

France offers greater financial support for refugees, but the reality is that forty years of UK labour market deregulation since the defeat of organised labour movements in the mid-80s means that there’s a significant arm of that UK economy for those without papers which just doesn’t exist in places with stronger labour laws.

 

[Kurt.]

Just a thought about these asylum seekers.

If they are fleeing warzones, would they not just be made up of women and children? If you are male and are not old, you would fight back would you not?

The fact that so many of them who are looking to seek asylum being male, should that not be called into question as well? It's also been reported over the years that some of these men leave their wife and kids back home to come here.

There is clearly a line between those who need help and those who don't but want to come here anyway.

Jesus …. Another one

 

[urquattro]

They don’t flee because it’s a war zone.

They flee because they face persecution in regards to their race, religion, political affiliation or sexuality.

People can claim asylum from all kinds of countries that aren’t war torn, but have certain regions which are dangerous for some people.

You can claim asylum from Nigeria and China for example.

No point coming to the UK then.

 

[spectateur]

genuine questions that the mainstream media wont ask,
what is the attraction of the uk?
why would you risk your own life leaving a safe country like france and put yourself and sometimes your kids into a dinghy to cross a dangerous sea?
what is in the uk that makes it all worthwhile?

Probably the mainstream won't ask it is because it's very difficult to answer.
I have done volountary work with the charity 'Secours Catholique' and I have met a variety of migrants. The French speaking ones (mainly from ex colonies in Africa seem content to stay in France.

Those from The Middle East and Ethiopia, Somalia etc often have ideas of a Utopia in the UK; Much is often made that they speak English, well in my experience very few can carry out a conversation.
I was often asked by a spokesman "you English, why you in France? followed usually by " we no like here, we go England.
Asked why a typical reply was " no papers no problem, we get job, we get money, we get girls."
I told them them that they would be arrested and put in a detention centre like a prison,that jobs were difficult and most English wouldn't welcome them.
To no avail they are hell bent on going to England.
I have met young men who have been arrested in camps near Calais, redistributed to to our little town in the middle of France and after a few days, do a bunk and head north again. They are behaving like the lemmings on their migration.

The people who I met were not the types to pay thousands to get on a little boat, they were those who break into cargo trucks, mainly young men.

Other people may have different experience in encounters with migrants but I'm just telling how I found them.