Beggars

[McBain]

I don't believe in God. I believe we make choices in life and we have to live by those choices.

I dont at all. We have choices, we make decisions. I'm sure you'll also believe 'What goes around, comes around'

Going back on mistakes, correcting them and learning from them is the best gift we have.

Give him some silver next time mate, I'm sure you'll find giving a more satisfying emotion than the guilt of being a total tightarse.

 

[little curly alan ball]

I dont at all. We have choices, we make decisions. I'm sure you'll also believe 'What goes around, comes around'

Going back on mistakes, correcting them and learning from them is the best gift we have.

Give him some silver next time mate, I'm sure you'll find giving a more satisfying emotion than the guilt being a total tightarse.

Amen , McB .

 

[GhostOfDixie]

I dont at all. We have choices, we make decisions. I'm sure you'll also believe 'What goes around, comes around'

Going back on mistakes, correcting them and learning from them is the best gift we have.

Give him some silver next time mate, I'm sure you'll find giving a more satisfying emotion than the guilt of being a total tightarse.

That sounds like a belief system. I don't have a belief system.

I will feel more satisfied knowing that I still have that pound in my pocket that I can put towards a nice holiday, or a new computer. Or my season ticket.

I have watched charity shows every year, and apart from them being celebrity PR first and foremost, I see very little evidence in my money making a difference. As far as I can tell poverty still exists, and it's been 24 years since Bob Geldolf first made a stink about it.

So I don't want nothing to do with charity, I am more interested in my life and those close to me. Call me selfish if you like, but that's what I am more interested in. Doesn't mean I don't care about people or their welfare, just that I think handing over a quid in the streets is no guarantee that any good will come from that pound.

I'd rather be involved in a program that educates and get's these people back on their feet. Get them back into society. I have seen the same beggar in Chester for 10 years, he has recently moved to Birkenhead, but he is still there shouting Big Issue. How long does it take? Or is it a non event?

I also pay taxes and I would expect the government to spend more money taking care of their own people rather than allowing all and sundry to walk in and exploit.

 

[Piijt]

Jeremy Clarkson on beggars;

beggars who mooch up to you with their mangy dogs in the street. There you have face-to-face guilt and it’s hard to say what you’re thinking: “Eat the dog, then we’ll talk.”

Made me laugh anyway....

 

[little curly alan ball]

Jeremy Clarkson on beggars;

beggars who mooch up to you with their mangy dogs in the street. There you have face-to-face guilt and it’s hard to say what you’re thinking: “Eat the dog, then we’ll talk.”

Made me laugh anyway....

But Clarkson is an Uber - Tawt .
Good line though .

 

[Nebbiolo]

But Clarkson is an Uber - Tawt .
Good line though .

He is a tawt, but you've got to hand it to him for being a funny tawt. I actually heard a serious interview with him on radio 4, about 2 years ago. He's not as bad as he often makes out. He actually came over as quite sensitive in many ways. He's okay.

 

[Piijt]

Clarkson, OK he can sometimes be a tawt but half of the time he tells it like it is. He does make me laugh, he don't give a damn who he upsets, check out his weekly rant, cheers me up every Sunday.

Jeremy Clarkson Car Reviews | Driving - Times Online

 

[bluebloodinmyveins]

The problem is, is there is far too many people these days begging money for one thing or another. You cant possibly give to them all.

 

[Latch]

Posted via Mobile Device There was a story about him (clarkson) in one of the tabloids a while ago, some young kid took a photo of him walking ashore after he'd been for a swim, he took offence as he knew he looked like a beached whale, he asked the kid for his camera, the kid refused and ran off leaving clarkson screaming ' give me that camera or i'll hunt you down and f*cking klll you'. He didn't mean it of course! Takes no prisoners that bloke.

 

[NeoNaoNeo]

I also noticed that some were drug addicts, do you feel comfortable given money to drug addicts?

My Uncle was a drug addict, mate.

He's been clean 5 years now and he works in those centres where they get sent to Detox.

You act as if you've never made a ******* mistake in your life. Only difference with these people is they made one that had a huge impact. If you had to go through that **** yourself perhaps you'd have a bit more sympathy for what they go through. They end up hurting the people they love, hurting themselves, and getting stuck in a cycle that leaves them with absolutely nothing in the world.

Not everyone can pull themselves up by the bootstraps, my uncle was lucky, the way you disregard other human beings for making errors that hurt themselves is incredibly callous. As has been said, no-one forces you to give them the money, but if you were in the same situation you'd wouldn't do the same as them?

Even if you don't feel sympathy for them, antipathy is just ignorant.

 

[GhostOfDixie]

My Uncle was a drug addict, mate.

He's been clean 5 years now and he works in those centres where they get sent to Detox.

You act as if you've never made a ******* mistake in your life. Only difference with these people is they made one that had a huge impact. If you had to go through that **** yourself perhaps you'd have a bit more sympathy for what they go through. They end up hurting the people they love, hurting themselves, and getting stuck in a cycle that leaves them with absolutely nothing in the world.

Not everyone can pull themselves up by the bootstraps, my uncle was lucky, the way you disregard other human beings for making errors that hurt themselves is incredibly callous. As has been said, no-one forces you to give them the money, but if you were in the same situation you'd wouldn't do the same as them?

Even if you don't feel sympathy for them, antipathy is just ignorant.

I'm not ignorant, but they have to show me that they want to change. There is a guy who is so enthusiastic and he sells loads of copies of his mag, he is known by everyone and is genuinely a nice man. I would give to that because he obviously wants to make my shopping experience so much better than it could be.

Just because your down on your luck doesn't mean you can't make a difference, especially when they are like in their early 20s. I mean **** me, get a grip.

Maybe it is a little bit of peering through the fence, but I have made a choice to not give charity, I feel enough of my money goes down the drain, so don't want to give anymore. That's my choice though mate. You've obviously been touched personally so you have an opinion based on that.

It still doesn't want to make me give money to drug addicts, when there is no guarantee that that money isn't going towards their next hit.

 

[NeoNaoNeo]

Just because your down on your luck doesn't mean you can't make a difference, especially when they are like in their early 20s. I mean **** me, get a grip.

Think that's a bit of an easier said than done quote. We don't really know how hard it is. The fact that so few of them get out of it is either an indicator that:

a) What got them into said situation means they're unable to get out, whether it be a personality trait or physical ailing or what have you

b ) The situation itself makes it so that you can't get out

I think it's a little bit of the two myself.

As I've said, it's your prerogative whether you give money to them or not, and I especially understand your decision when you say you don't want to fuel their habit. The thing that worries me though is that I get the impression that you think you're better than them, I think that's a slippery slope.

You said before you were worried about making this thread on such a 'tree hugging' forum, these aren't trees, they're real people. It's best to remember that sometimes.

 

[GhostOfDixie]

Think that's a bit of an easier said than done quote. We don't really know how hard it is. The fact that so few of them get out of it is either an indicator that:

a) What got them into said situation means they're unable to get out, whether it be a personality trait or physical ailing or what have you

b ) The situation itself makes it so that you can't get out

I think it's a little bit of the two myself.

As I've said, it's your prerogative whether you give money to them or not, and I especially understand your decision when you say you don't want to fuel their habit. The thing that worries me though is that I get the impression that you think you're better than them, I think that's a slippery slope.

You said before you were worried about making this thread on such a 'tree hugging' forum, these aren't trees, they're real people. It's best to remember that sometimes.

Do I think I am better than someone who has lost control of his life? Well mate if you don't think your better than someone who has lost control of their life, then that doesn't really bode well for your self belief.

They are not criminals, they are not evil people, they have just made bad choices and have ended up where they are. Do they get my sympathy? Yes. Do they get my money? No.

I have made mistakes in my life, and I also made mistakes in terms of a certain amount of drug abuse. While I saw those around me continue down that road, I stopped and decided that there was too much evidence out there to say that I would not end up in the gutter, or worse.

So I made a choice, and luckily I made that choice long before it took hold. Now I hear friends I used to know who do things like Crystal Meth and stuff, there is only one more step, and we all know where that is.

I say tree hugging because this site has become overly sensitive against controversial debates. I was asked to move to another forum by someone because my posts would be more appreciated and not jumped on as strongly as they are here.

But regardless of that, my opinions is that, and it's not supposed to be personal, so don't take it as.

 

[NeoNaoNeo]

Do I think I am better than someone who has lost control of his life? Well mate if you don't think your better than someone who has lost control of their life, then that doesn't really bode well for your self belief.

When you say lost control of their life, what exactly do you mean?

There are hundreds of millions of people who have no control over their lives. So are we to think that we're better than a starving man?

No, ofcourse not. And you don't believe that either. Because that was a situation forced upon them, a beggar is where he is because he made a mistake. His situation is the consequence of one, or a series, of poorly made decisions.

But that's all they are. Are you now making an argument that anyone who makes worse decisions than you is worse than you? How about someone of lower intelligence, are you better than them because you don't make the mistakes they do?

Or are you better than them because you do better in this system that dictates our lives. Because you adapted better to the 'work - pay - live' machine that runs our society. If that is the case, are richer people better than poorer people? They make more money, so they're obviously much more valuable to our system, surely that places their value higher than those who don't earn as much money. With less use to the Capitalist system.

Being sanctimonious brings to the fore a lot of grey areas to your argument, and it'll be interesting to hear from yourself what exactly you think it is that makes you better. Maybe you are better, who knows, but I'd like to know why you think so.

I say tree hugging because this site has become overly sensitive against controversial debates. I was asked to move to another forum by someone because my posts would be more appreciated and not jumped on as strongly as they are here.

Yeah but tree hugging is a very specific term. That's usually meant as a slanderous comment towards overly liberal people, people who expect the same respect and rights for all objects in the world, even the non human. But to show compassion for other people is nowhere near tree hugging. It's...it's just being humane.

But regardless of that, my opinions is that, and it's not supposed to be personal, so don't take it as.

I take no offense to your opinions, but I just want to understand them a little better.

 

[Nebbiolo]

Some good posts, Neo.