Arsenal 1-1 Everton. 8th Dec @ 16.00.

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Perhaps a final point. I can't sleep so I stuck the game on again and I'm into the second half and I saw a small but very illustrative moment, on 52 minutes. We win the ball back in the box and it arrives at Oviedo's feet. Barry has his hands down in the old 'calm down' motion and Oviedo attempts a somewhat ambitious, but still far from hoofed, chip to Mirallas which just runs past him andv out for a throw - suddenly, Jagielka and Distin start giving him a proper rollicking. They are really bellowing at him for losing the ball so cheaply.

In the hoof first ask questions later days that would have been applauded as an inventive clearance. Now, it's derided as an unacceptable loss of possession. And Oviedo held his hand up to apologise; right he was to do so. This team is about always being in control and while it always seemed so obvious to so many of us, it really is now like the shackles have come off now that this is obvious to the players. We really will take the game to anyone, regardless of the result. We're about the performance, perhaps more than that: the identity.

I really liked Moyes, he was all I knew and the criticism is becoming both a little repetitive and in many ways snide, but I feel one negative is really worth highlighting... Moyes was a man of duty and integrity, without doubt. He respected his contract of employment (such as it was, given the winding down effort, one of the many reasons he went down in our estimations) and his relationship with the board and on the whole, with the fans. But that was from an external moral compass maybe his upbringing or (I know he's religious, quite possibly that) footballing education, either way I think everything he did was because he felt he had to, it would've been improper not to. I can't really explain it, but Martinez is different intrinsically... he really did 'get' Everton, clichéd as it sounds, from day one. Not just the working class, city-wide passion of our fans ('The People's Club') but as a huge and undeniably historic monument of English - and so by extension, world - football. We really are that big; the old lads have always known it but maybe the new generation like myself needed reminding. I cried tears of joy when we beat Man U on pens in a semi, it felt so close to glory but for a club like us in many ways it was so far. I used to want to get out of Old Trafford alive. I used to always hope we'd control the game by having the ball, thus stopping them playing, but no game developed like that. Every game became a relentless prayer for a speedy clock. And along the way I think we allowed some of that 90's mentality to creep back in... well, that's all we're capable of. That's the best we could possibly do. I mean, to borrow Wenger's buzzword, it's logical. We are at an incredible financial imbalance. I can't argue it's unfair, and so how can I argue we should be beating the richest clubs in the world at their own backyards?

You forget that football is a game of 11 men against 11. And all of them are professional footballers of the top level, and as it's been proven though they will lose more games than they win, used in the right way even inferior players can triumph. And Martinez believes that; not only in the value of good football and controlling the game, not just in the value of Everton FC - and he truly, truly appreciates our size. He invites Kendall round, he talks of the inspiration of our 9 league titles, he gets us - but in the value of every individual player. Yes, he does overdo it a bit - unique and phenomenal - but that translates to the players. I listened to those extensive Wigan fan interviews to get a better sense of him over the summer and his appreciation of the squad is, well, phenomenal (:lol:). You might laugh when says Ben Watson is a rare English talent for his deep-lying playmaker role or that Shaun Maloney and Victor Moses are two of the best attacking midfielders around or James McCarthy is one of the best midfielders in the country, but then he takes them to Anfield, White Hart Lane, Goodison Park, the Emirates, an FA Cup final against the might of Man City and in each and every game they play the opposition off the park.

He makes Jagielka believe he can take the ball off Rooney in the 91st minute defending a 0-1 lead and surge out of defence; and Jagielka does it. He believes Ross Barkley can take the ball sandwiched between two players, rip them both and set up an attack that leads to a goal in the last 5 minutes when we're losing 1-0 at the Emirates, and Barkley does it. He believes Oviedo can come in to replace the best leftback in the country for two of our hardest games of the season after months out of the team and do well, and he does it.
And most of all, he makes us believe that no matter how rich they are or how poor we are, we can do it as well. And you know what?

I f**king believe it.


Sin miedo.
 
While I was impressed with Everton and how they played. I think some of you Evertonians are getting carried away. You held on to the ball very well for the first 25 mins or so. But Arsenal were fairly comfortably in the sense that you guys weren't creating much. In fact, you could've been 2 down by half time.
You must certainly did not put on a "footballing lesson" as some of you believe.

The thing with this Arsenal side nowadays is that they're not a possession orientated. Southampton had more of the ball than us at the Emirates 2 weeks ago. And we know what happened that game.

Wasn't by choice mate and you know it. Arsenal were pulled apart by Everton in that first half and had no answer, comfortable or not.

Don't try to rewrite history just two days after we all saw what happened with our own eyes, you included.

Looking foward to how you do vs. teams in the top ten this season. Been pretty easy for you so far.
 
You are wrong. We are a possession side. Yes we have become more direct and at times dont mind giving the possession up as both Spurs and Southampton had more possession at Emirates. but the first 40 mins of that game was not a plan to give Everton that much possession. They kept possession very well and deserve credit for that. They have some good ball players in their midfield and they outperformed us in the first half. Nothing wrong with admitting that

What's the saying? If common sense was so common (as it is demonstrated here), why don't more people have it?
 
Perhaps a final point. I can't sleep so I stuck the game on again and I'm into the second half and I saw a small but very illustrative moment, on 52 minutes. We win the ball back in the box and it arrives at Oviedo's feet. Barry has his hands down in the old 'calm down' motion and Oviedo attempts a somewhat ambitious, but still far from hoofed, chip to Mirallas which just runs past him andv out for a throw - suddenly, Jagielka and Distin start giving him a proper rollicking. They are really bellowing at him for losing the ball so cheaply.

In the hoof first ask questions later days that would have been applauded as an inventive clearance. Now, it's derided as an unacceptable loss of possession. And Oviedo held his hand up to apologise; right he was to do so. This team is about always being in control and while it always seemed so obvious to so many of us, it really is now like the shackles have come off now that this is obvious to the players. We really will take the game to anyone, regardless of the result. We're about the performance, perhaps more than that: the identity.

I really liked Moyes, he was all I knew and the criticism is becoming both a little repetitive and in many ways snide, but I feel one negative is really worth highlighting... Moyes was a man of duty and integrity, without doubt. He respected his contract of employment (such as it was, given the winding down effort, one of the many reasons he went down in our estimations) and his relationship with the board and on the whole, with the fans. But that was from an external moral compass maybe his upbringing or (I know he's religious, quite possibly that) footballing education, either way I think everything he did was because he felt he had to, it would've been improper not to. I can't really explain it, but Martinez is different intrinsically... he really did 'get' Everton, clichéd as it sounds, from day one. Not just the working class, city-wide passion of our fans ('The People's Club') but as a huge and undeniably historic monument of English - and so by extension, world - football. We really are that big; the old lads have always known it but maybe the new generation like myself needed reminding. I cried tears of joy when we beat Man U on pens in a semi, it felt so close to glory but for a club like us in many ways it was so far. I used to want to get out of Old Trafford alive. I used to always hope we'd control the game by having the ball, thus stopping them playing, but no game developed like that. Every game became a relentless prayer for a speedy clock. And along the way I think we allowed some of that 90's mentality to creep back in... well, that's all we're capable of. That's the best we could possibly do. I mean, to borrow Wenger's buzzword, it's logical. We are at an incredible financial imbalance. I can't argue it's unfair, and so how can I argue we should be beating the richest clubs in the world at their own backyards?

You forget that football is a game of 11 men against 11. And all of them are professional footballers of the top level, and as it's been proven though they will lose more games than they win, used in the right way even inferior players can triumph. And Martinez believes that; not only in the value of good football and controlling the game, not just in the value of Everton FC - and he truly, truly appreciates our size. He invites Kendall round, he talks of the inspiration of our 9 league titles, he gets us - but in the value of every individual player. Yes, he does overdo it a bit - unique and phenomenal - but that translates to the players. I listened to those extensive Wigan fan interviews to get a better sense of him over the summer and his appreciation of the squad is, well, phenomenal (:lol:). You might laugh when says Ben Watson is a rare English talent for his deep-lying playmaker role or that Shaun Maloney and Victor Moses are two of the best attacking midfielders around or James McCarthy is one of the best midfielders in the country, but then he takes them to Anfield, White Hart Lane, Goodison Park, the Emirates, an FA Cup final against the might of Man City and in each and every game they play the opposition off the park.

He makes Jagielka believe he can take the ball off Rooney in the 91st minute defending a 0-1 lead and surge out of defence; and Jagielka does it. He believes Ross Barkley can take the ball sandwiched between two players, rip them both and set up an attack that leads to a goal in the last 5 minutes when we're losing 1-0 at the Emirates, and Barkley does it. He believes Oviedo can come in to replace the best leftback in the country for two of our hardest games of the season after months out of the team and do well, and he does it.
And most of all, he makes us believe that no matter how rich they are or how poor we are, we can do it as well. And you know what?

I f**king believe it.


Sin miedo.

Beautifully stated!!

In seasons past I would get a "dead" feeling every couple of fixtures knowing deep down we were going to bottle an upcoming match no matter how loudly I stated the opposite. That feeling is being replaced with a feeling that no matter who we play, and whether or not we win or lose, we're going to make everyone deal with how we want to play and react to the tactical plan we choose. I've never experienced a success as a supporter but from the comments of the veteran supporters it sure sounds like we're all starting to believe again. Early days of course but heady none-the-less!
 
Perhaps a final point. I can't sleep so I stuck the game on again and I'm into the second half and I saw a small but very illustrative moment, on 52 minutes. We win the ball back in the box and it arrives at Oviedo's feet. Barry has his hands down in the old 'calm down' motion and Oviedo attempts a somewhat ambitious, but still far from hoofed, chip to Mirallas which just runs past him andv out for a throw - suddenly, Jagielka and Distin start giving him a proper rollicking. They are really bellowing at him for losing the ball so cheaply.

In the hoof first ask questions later days that would have been applauded as an inventive clearance. Now, it's derided as an unacceptable loss of possession. And Oviedo held his hand up to apologise; right he was to do so. This team is about always being in control and while it always seemed so obvious to so many of us, it really is now like the shackles have come off now that this is obvious to the players. We really will take the game to anyone, regardless of the result. We're about the performance, perhaps more than that: the identity.

I really liked Moyes, he was all I knew and the criticism is becoming both a little repetitive and in many ways snide, but I feel one negative is really worth highlighting... Moyes was a man of duty and integrity, without doubt. He respected his contract of employment (such as it was, given the winding down effort, one of the many reasons he went down in our estimations) and his relationship with the board and on the whole, with the fans. But that was from an external moral compass maybe his upbringing or (I know he's religious, quite possibly that) footballing education, either way I think everything he did was because he felt he had to, it would've been improper not to. I can't really explain it, but Martinez is different intrinsically... he really did 'get' Everton, clichéd as it sounds, from day one. Not just the working class, city-wide passion of our fans ('The People's Club') but as a huge and undeniably historic monument of English - and so by extension, world - football. We really are that big; the old lads have always known it but maybe the new generation like myself needed reminding. I cried tears of joy when we beat Man U on pens in a semi, it felt so close to glory but for a club like us in many ways it was so far. I used to want to get out of Old Trafford alive. I used to always hope we'd control the game by having the ball, thus stopping them playing, but no game developed like that. Every game became a relentless prayer for a speedy clock. And along the way I think we allowed some of that 90's mentality to creep back in... well, that's all we're capable of. That's the best we could possibly do. I mean, to borrow Wenger's buzzword, it's logical. We are at an incredible financial imbalance. I can't argue it's unfair, and so how can I argue we should be beating the richest clubs in the world at their own backyards?

You forget that football is a game of 11 men against 11. And all of them are professional footballers of the top level, and as it's been proven though they will lose more games than they win, used in the right way even inferior players can triumph. And Martinez believes that; not only in the value of good football and controlling the game, not just in the value of Everton FC - and he truly, truly appreciates our size. He invites Kendall round, he talks of the inspiration of our 9 league titles, he gets us - but in the value of every individual player. Yes, he does overdo it a bit - unique and phenomenal - but that translates to the players. I listened to those extensive Wigan fan interviews to get a better sense of him over the summer and his appreciation of the squad is, well, phenomenal (:lol:). You might laugh when says Ben Watson is a rare English talent for his deep-lying playmaker role or that Shaun Maloney and Victor Moses are two of the best attacking midfielders around or James McCarthy is one of the best midfielders in the country, but then he takes them to Anfield, White Hart Lane, Goodison Park, the Emirates, an FA Cup final against the might of Man City and in each and every game they play the opposition off the park.

He makes Jagielka believe he can take the ball off Rooney in the 91st minute defending a 0-1 lead and surge out of defence; and Jagielka does it. He believes Ross Barkley can take the ball sandwiched between two players, rip them both and set up an attack that leads to a goal in the last 5 minutes when we're losing 1-0 at the Emirates, and Barkley does it. He believes Oviedo can come in to replace the best leftback in the country for two of our hardest games of the season after months out of the team and do well, and he does it.
And most of all, he makes us believe that no matter how rich they are or how poor we are, we can do it as well. And you know what?

I f**king believe it.


Sin miedo.

Excellent post. We have got an excellent team emerging right before our very eyes. Self belief is everything in sport. Roberto is transferring that into players and fans alike. That is a potent mix. Solo lo mejor!! Without getting too carried away the last time I saw everton play with such self belief AND style was mid 80s. Just need the goals to follow a little more frequently, especially against teams below us and we could be in for some very positive times ahead.
 
Perhaps a final point. I can't sleep so I stuck the game on again and I'm into the second half and I saw a small but very illustrative moment, on 52 minutes. We win the ball back in the box and it arrives at Oviedo's feet. Barry has his hands down in the old 'calm down' motion and Oviedo attempts a somewhat ambitious, but still far from hoofed, chip to Mirallas which just runs past him andv out for a throw - suddenly, Jagielka and Distin start giving him a proper rollicking. They are really bellowing at him for losing the ball so cheaply.

In the hoof first ask questions later days that would have been applauded as an inventive clearance. Now, it's derided as an unacceptable loss of possession. And Oviedo held his hand up to apologise; right he was to do so. This team is about always being in control and while it always seemed so obvious to so many of us, it really is now like the shackles have come off now that this is obvious to the players. We really will take the game to anyone, regardless of the result. We're about the performance, perhaps more than that: the identity.

I really liked Moyes, he was all I knew and the criticism is becoming both a little repetitive and in many ways snide, but I feel one negative is really worth highlighting... Moyes was a man of duty and integrity, without doubt. He respected his contract of employment (such as it was, given the winding down effort, one of the many reasons he went down in our estimations) and his relationship with the board and on the whole, with the fans. But that was from an external moral compass maybe his upbringing or (I know he's religious, quite possibly that) footballing education, either way I think everything he did was because he felt he had to, it would've been improper not to. I can't really explain it, but Martinez is different intrinsically... he really did 'get' Everton, clichéd as it sounds, from day one. Not just the working class, city-wide passion of our fans ('The People's Club') but as a huge and undeniably historic monument of English - and so by extension, world - football. We really are that big; the old lads have always known it but maybe the new generation like myself needed reminding. I cried tears of joy when we beat Man U on pens in a semi, it felt so close to glory but for a club like us in many ways it was so far. I used to want to get out of Old Trafford alive. I used to always hope we'd control the game by having the ball, thus stopping them playing, but no game developed like that. Every game became a relentless prayer for a speedy clock. And along the way I think we allowed some of that 90's mentality to creep back in... well, that's all we're capable of. That's the best we could possibly do. I mean, to borrow Wenger's buzzword, it's logical. We are at an incredible financial imbalance. I can't argue it's unfair, and so how can I argue we should be beating the richest clubs in the world at their own backyards?

You forget that football is a game of 11 men against 11. And all of them are professional footballers of the top level, and as it's been proven though they will lose more games than they win, used in the right way even inferior players can triumph. And Martinez believes that; not only in the value of good football and controlling the game, not just in the value of Everton FC - and he truly, truly appreciates our size. He invites Kendall round, he talks of the inspiration of our 9 league titles, he gets us - but in the value of every individual player. Yes, he does overdo it a bit - unique and phenomenal - but that translates to the players. I listened to those extensive Wigan fan interviews to get a better sense of him over the summer and his appreciation of the squad is, well, phenomenal (:lol:). You might laugh when says Ben Watson is a rare English talent for his deep-lying playmaker role or that Shaun Maloney and Victor Moses are two of the best attacking midfielders around or James McCarthy is one of the best midfielders in the country, but then he takes them to Anfield, White Hart Lane, Goodison Park, the Emirates, an FA Cup final against the might of Man City and in each and every game they play the opposition off the park.

He makes Jagielka believe he can take the ball off Rooney in the 91st minute defending a 0-1 lead and surge out of defence; and Jagielka does it. He believes Ross Barkley can take the ball sandwiched between two players, rip them both and set up an attack that leads to a goal in the last 5 minutes when we're losing 1-0 at the Emirates, and Barkley does it. He believes Oviedo can come in to replace the best leftback in the country for two of our hardest games of the season after months out of the team and do well, and he does it.
And most of all, he makes us believe that no matter how rich they are or how poor we are, we can do it as well. And you know what?

I f**king believe it.


Sin miedo.

I am no hebetudinous slug when it comes to word crafting...but that is a post of existential beauty. Well done that man!!
 
He makes Jagielka believe he can take the ball off Rooney in the 91st minute defending a 0-1 lead and surge out of defence; and Jagielka does it. He believes Ross Barkley can take the ball sandwiched between two players, rip them both and set up an attack that leads to a goal in the last 5 minutes when we're losing 1-0 at the Emirates, and Barkley does it. He believes Oviedo can come in to replace the best leftback in the country for two of our hardest games of the season after months out of the team and do well, and he does it.

And most of all, he makes us believe that no matter how rich they are or how poor we are, we can do it as well. And you know what?

I f**king believe it.
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He respected his contract of employment (such as it was, given the winding down effort, one of the many reasons he went down in our estimations) and his relationship with the board and on the whole, with the fans. But that was from an external moral compass maybe his upbringing or (I know he's religious, quite possibly that) footballing education, either way I think everything he did was because he felt he had to, it would've been improper not to.

I definitely think that Moyes has a Protestant, even Puritan streak about him, and this translates not only in the way he conducts himself, but also in the way he approaches matches - cautious, killjoy, dour, work ethic, dull.
 
Perhaps a final point. I can't sleep so I stuck the game on again and I'm into the second half and I saw a small but very illustrative moment, on 52 minutes. We win the ball back in the box and it arrives at Oviedo's feet. Barry has his hands down in the old 'calm down' motion and Oviedo attempts a somewhat ambitious, but still far from hoofed, chip to Mirallas which just runs past him andv out for a throw - suddenly, Jagielka and Distin start giving him a proper rollicking. They are really bellowing at him for losing the ball so cheaply.

In the hoof first ask questions later days that would have been applauded as an inventive clearance. Now, it's derided as an unacceptable loss of possession. And Oviedo held his hand up to apologise; right he was to do so. This team is about always being in control and while it always seemed so obvious to so many of us, it really is now like the shackles have come off now that this is obvious to the players. We really will take the game to anyone, regardless of the result. We're about the performance, perhaps more than that: the identity.

I really liked Moyes, he was all I knew and the criticism is becoming both a little repetitive and in many ways snide, but I feel one negative is really worth highlighting... Moyes was a man of duty and integrity, without doubt. He respected his contract of employment (such as it was, given the winding down effort, one of the many reasons he went down in our estimations) and his relationship with the board and on the whole, with the fans. But that was from an external moral compass maybe his upbringing or (I know he's religious, quite possibly that) footballing education, either way I think everything he did was because he felt he had to, it would've been improper not to. I can't really explain it, but Martinez is different intrinsically... he really did 'get' Everton, clichéd as it sounds, from day one. Not just the working class, city-wide passion of our fans ('The People's Club') but as a huge and undeniably historic monument of English - and so by extension, world - football. We really are that big; the old lads have always known it but maybe the new generation like myself needed reminding. I cried tears of joy when we beat Man U on pens in a semi, it felt so close to glory but for a club like us in many ways it was so far. I used to want to get out of Old Trafford alive. I used to always hope we'd control the game by having the ball, thus stopping them playing, but no game developed like that. Every game became a relentless prayer for a speedy clock. And along the way I think we allowed some of that 90's mentality to creep back in... well, that's all we're capable of. That's the best we could possibly do. I mean, to borrow Wenger's buzzword, it's logical. We are at an incredible financial imbalance. I can't argue it's unfair, and so how can I argue we should be beating the richest clubs in the world at their own backyards?

You forget that football is a game of 11 men against 11. And all of them are professional footballers of the top level, and as it's been proven though they will lose more games than they win, used in the right way even inferior players can triumph. And Martinez believes that; not only in the value of good football and controlling the game, not just in the value of Everton FC - and he truly, truly appreciates our size. He invites Kendall round, he talks of the inspiration of our 9 league titles, he gets us - but in the value of every individual player. Yes, he does overdo it a bit - unique and phenomenal - but that translates to the players. I listened to those extensive Wigan fan interviews to get a better sense of him over the summer and his appreciation of the squad is, well, phenomenal (:lol:). You might laugh when says Ben Watson is a rare English talent for his deep-lying playmaker role or that Shaun Maloney and Victor Moses are two of the best attacking midfielders around or James McCarthy is one of the best midfielders in the country, but then he takes them to Anfield, White Hart Lane, Goodison Park, the Emirates, an FA Cup final against the might of Man City and in each and every game they play the opposition off the park.

He makes Jagielka believe he can take the ball off Rooney in the 91st minute defending a 0-1 lead and surge out of defence; and Jagielka does it. He believes Ross Barkley can take the ball sandwiched between two players, rip them both and set up an attack that leads to a goal in the last 5 minutes when we're losing 1-0 at the Emirates, and Barkley does it. He believes Oviedo can come in to replace the best leftback in the country for two of our hardest games of the season after months out of the team and do well, and he does it.
And most of all, he makes us believe that no matter how rich they are or how poor we are, we can do it as well. And you know what?

I f**king believe it.


Sin miedo.

Great post mate and I know exactly what you are getting at. A positive mindset is one thing I think generally foreigners not just in football but all sports do better than a lot of British sportspeople. The belief Martinez has instilled in the squad is fantastic.

The comments you mention Martinez made about the likes of Ben Watson are interesting. I recall a few years ago Moyes kept saying how Baines was still the second best English left back behind Cole. It used to really annoy me. Martinez talks about his players like fans do. Imagine how good you must feel when your manager is publically praising you like he has done with our players. You will feel he believes in you 100%.

Evertonians have in the majority had a lot of faith in the ability of this squad and it was always the mental side which was lacking in the big moments. The early signs are this has changed. These two back to back away games have been brilliant for the squad.
 
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