Current Affairs Are the Tories unfairly maligned?

[Boss_Blue]

Worst thread on GOT.

Congratulations.

 

[COYBL25]

Worst thread on GOT.

Congratulations.

He`s an attention seeking bellend, don`t give him the satisfaction

 

[Boss_Blue]

He`s an attention seeking bellend, don`t give him the satisfaction

On an Everton forum.

A scouse football club.

I think I feel faint.

 

[dholliday]

Worst thread on GOT.

Congratulations.

He`s an attention seeking bellend, don`t give him the satisfaction

thread-banned

 

[tsubaki]

Iraq invasion & the dodgy dossier
giving Mandelson so much influence
Millennium Dome
"a good day to bury bad news"
"she's a bigot"

and many more if I care to refresh my memory. Then there's all that's wrong with your comments. Rail privatisation killed dozens? That's your agenda talking. Did rail accidents never happen before privatisation? Austerity didn't save money? The public sector pay freeze has saved a over a billion pounds. Brexit wrong? That's just your opinion, there are just as many (or rather 52% to your 48%) who believe it is the right decision. I could go throught the rest but Corn Laws? Really? That's something from almost 200 years ago. Slavery was wrong too, you know.

That your list contains one actual decision of historical importance, and one that was actively supported by IDS, sort of shows where you are going wrong.

With regards to the rest - rail privatisation as they designed it did kill dozens, and in ways that would never have happened under BR (or since under NR) - ie: repeated mistakes (like Southall and Ladbroke Grove) not fixed because of arguments over which subcontracting firm was responsible for paying to fix it. Austerity has not saved money; despite cuts to almost every government department and almost unprecedented disposals of state property, government spending was nearly £100 billion higher in 2017 than it was in 2010 (and £150 billion higher than at the height of the 2008 crash). The public sector pay freeze has encouraged tens of thousands of people to leave the NHS and ambulance services in particular, helping to get its agency labour bill to nearly £4 billion in 2016 (and which they were boasting of having cut to £3 billion last year).

As for Brexit, whether or not staying or leaving the EU are a good and bad thing is a matter for debate. I would have thought however that setting a date to leave, then taking four months off for a General Election, then getting humiliated in the first round of negotiations and then admitting that you have no clear idea of what you actually want is going to be seen by most people, on both sides of the debate, as "wrong".

 

[dholliday]

That your list contains one actual decision of historical importance, and one that was actively supported by IDS, sort of shows where you are going wrong.

With regards to the rest - rail privatisation as they designed it did kill dozens, and in ways that would never have happened under BR (or since under NR) - ie: repeated mistakes (like Southall and Ladbroke Grove) not fixed because of arguments over which subcontracting firm was responsible for paying to fix it. Austerity has not saved money; despite cuts to almost every government department and almost unprecedented disposals of state property, government spending was nearly £100 billion higher in 2017 than it was in 2010 (and £150 billion higher than at the height of the 2008 crash). The public sector pay freeze has encouraged tens of thousands of people to leave the NHS and ambulance services in particular, helping to get its agency labour bill to nearly £4 billion in 2016 (and which they were boasting of having cut to £3 billion last year).

As for Brexit, whether or not staying or leaving the EU are a good and bad thing is a matter for debate. I would have thought however that setting a date to leave, then taking four months off for a General Election, then getting humiliated in the first round of negotiations and then admitting that you have no clear idea of what you actually want is going to be seen by most people, on both sides of the debate, as "wrong".

Good post, mate. Agree with most of your argument, but not the wider point that this makes the Tory Party any more deserving of loathing than its rival. I'll be here all night if I were to list all the wrong decisions and bad judgements Labour governments have made. On balance both parties have made mistakes, but the Conservatives, due to the sheer amount of time in power, have made more. If Labour manage to get in power a little more often, they could catch up.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Just in general, find labour supporters to be more sound.
Also I like foxes

 

[JordanianEmbassy]

Depising the Tories on the internet is one thing, but in reality half of the electorate are voting for them (broadly speaking, perhaps not in L8). So the Tories are subhuman scumbags commentary that you see here and elsewhere is not to be taken seriously. I pity the fool who actually despises 50 percent of people they pass on the street, but most grownups aren't like that.

Where do you get 50% from?

29% of the electorate voted Tory in the last election.


ps sorry to be a pedant.

 

[dholliday]

Where do you get 50% from?

29% of the electorate voted Tory in the last election.


ps sorry to be a pedant.

How many voted UKip? Almost 10% wasn't it? Most here would put them in the same bin as Tory.

 

[ijjysmith]

Mad how he’s posting loads more now there’s been loads of regulars banned.

Absolute clown.

 

[JordanianEmbassy]

How many voted UKip? Almost 10% wasn't it? Most here would put them in the same bin as Tory.

yeah i'd put them in a different bin

 

[Boss_Blue]

How many voted UKip? Almost 10% wasn't it? Most here would put them in the same bin as Tory.

I'd put them in the same bin then set fire to it.

 

[peteblue]

Okay let's go with the word "species" then!

For decades Tories have been wheeling out the blue rinse brigade to pad out their voting numbers. The fact that the big businesses that benefit from the Tories are funding all this makes it even worse.

Worst common denominator - I mean playing to an individual's own sense of greed. Bemoaning the "benefit scroungers" to cut welfare to the bone. As already stated they push the "I'm alright Jack" mantra to the very max. It's frankly disgusting. I think a society can only be judged on how it cares for the weakest amongst its midst.




No not at all- I work with Labour politicians and they are better. Hands down. I work in a very corporate/capitalist sector so it's not as if I'm actually engaging with the more Labour friendly subjects such as child welfare or affordable housing.

“The scientists said in their study that attractive people have better social skills and are more popular, competent and intelligent due to something known as the 'halo effect' - where an individual's view of other people is altered by bias and stereotypes. But their beauty also makes them less empathetic towards those who find life a struggle, making them more likely to be conservative.”

Must be some right ugly people on here..........

 

[Prevenger17]

I like Holliday, leave him alone you beasts

 

[peteblue]

Mad how he’s posting loads more now there’s been loads of regulars banned.

Absolute clown.

Boss Blue ?, surely not.......