Current Affairs Are the Tories unfairly maligned?

[magicjuan]

Perspective. Who 'maligns' the tories? Is it ordinary people, usually those who's endeavours to exist and 'aspire' tend to be thwarted or suffer at the hands of tory policy? Or the press? Because looking at media reporting the overwhelming majority tend to not malign policies, individuals who are not towing the corporate line perhaps, individual characters as opposed to the party or policy.
Consevatives are quite content for others to pay the price for the benefit of some, they are not inclusive. Everything they do increasingly attempts to undermine societal fabric knowing there are financial benefits to be had for like minded 'contacts', the revolving door comes to mind here.
If you want to look for 'maligned', look at Corbyn. Someone earlier described him and the current labour policies as extreme left and that is laughable, stood next to right wing tory policies now, it's too easy to say that, but in comparison to someone like Wilson they are still closer to Blair than Bevan, yet according to popular media representation you'd think we have a politburo in waiting.
The tories get a very easy ride.

 

[Prevenger17]

If you want to look for 'maligned', look at Corbyn.

Indeed. Tories are maligned by the left, Corbyn is maligned by the right and a lot of the left, it's very odd

 

[Papa Shango]

Tories and them being in power are a necessary evil to show just how stupid the general population are.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Perspective. Who 'maligns' the tories? Is it ordinary people, usually those who's endeavours to exist and 'aspire' tend to be thwarted or suffer at the hands of tory policy? Or the press? Because looking at media reporting the overwhelming majority tend to not malign policies, individuals who are not towing the corporate line perhaps, individual characters as opposed to the party or policy.
Consevatives are quite content for others to pay the price for the benefit of some, they are not inclusive. Everything they do increasingly attempts to undermine societal fabric knowing there are financial benefits to be had for like minded 'contacts', the revolving door comes to mind here.
If you want to look for 'maligned', look at Corbyn. Someone earlier described him and the current labour policies as extreme left and that is laughable, stood next to right wing tory policies now, it's too easy to say that, but in comparison to someone like Wilson they are still closer to Blair than Bevan, yet according to popular media representation you'd think we have a politburo in waiting.
The tories get a very easy ride.

I blame New Labour for a lot of this. A Labour government actively backing neoliberal idealism. The right is now the centre ground in popular discourse.

 

[tsubaki]

Good post, mate. Agree with most of your argument, but not the wider point that this makes the Tory Party any more deserving of loathing than its rival. I'll be here all night if I were to list all the wrong decisions and bad judgements Labour governments have made. On balance both parties have made mistakes, but the Conservatives, due to the sheer amount of time in power, have made more. If Labour manage to get in power a little more often, they could catch up.

Labour's worst mistakes have usually come when they try to act Tory - Iraq, PFI etc under Blair, and some of the stuff Wilson got up to like his daft fiscal policy, and deepening the Beeching cuts. In terms of actually adding value to the country (or at least saving it money), they have a far better record than the Tories - the NHS (which even in its current dismal state costs less per head in state funding than Medicaid does in the US and provides a vastly better service), and the massive housebuilding schemes under Attlee and Wilson (which cost less and earned more than the current policy of paying HB / UC for private dwellings) to cite the two biggest.

 

[Adam-GOTTV]

I think the hysterical reaction to them is sometimes unwarranted, but then we live in the internet age and I think people like outrage. With that said, some of their policies have genuinely had a detrimental impact on people's lives, so criticism is valid (as it is with any party who makes bad decisions, and they all do because that's the nature of government).

But like any group of people, they have good and bad eggs. I honestly think there's a decent portion of Tory MPs currently sitting in parliament who don't really even warrant the Conservative tag (think Anna Soubry). I personally don't align with them on much but that's just me.

So to conclude, my answer is yes and no. Sorry to be a fence stroker.

 

[magicjuan]

I think the hysterical reaction to them is sometimes unwarranted, but then we live in the internet age and I think people like outrage. With that said, some of their policies have genuinely had a detrimental impact on people's lives, so criticism is valid (as it is with any party who makes bad decisions, and they all do because that's the nature of government).

But like any group of people, they have good and bad eggs. I honestly think there's a decent portion of Tory MPs currently sitting in parliament who don't really even warrant the Conservative tag (think Anna Soubry). I personally don't align with them on much but that's just me.

So to conclude, my answer is yes and no. Sorry to be a fence stroker.

Honest question, you say 'some' of their policies, I am at a loss as to which policies of the current government have been beneficial?

 

[JimmyJeffers]

I think the hysterical reaction to them is sometimes unwarranted, but then we live in the internet age and I think people like outrage. With that said, some of their policies have genuinely had a detrimental impact on people's lives, so criticism is valid (as it is with any party who makes bad decisions, and they all do because that's the nature of government).

But like any group of people, they have good and bad eggs. I honestly think there's a decent portion of Tory MPs currently sitting in parliament who don't really even warrant the Conservative tag (think Anna Soubry). I personally don't align with them on much but that's just me.

So to conclude, my answer is yes and no. Sorry to be a fence stroker.

How Anna Soubry voted on Welfare and Benefits #

• Almost always voted for reducing housing benefit for social tenants deemed to have excess bedrooms (which Labour describe as the "bedroom tax") Show votes14 votes for, 0 votes against, 3 absences, between 2012–2014
• Consistently voted against raising welfare benefits at least in line with prices Show votes0 votes for, 5 votes against, in 2013
• Consistently voted against paying higher benefits over longer periods for those unable to work due to illness or disabilityShow votes0 votes for, 15 votes against, between 2011–2016
• Consistently voted for making local councils responsible for helping those in financial needafford their council taxand reducing the amount spent on such support Show votes4 votes for, 0 votes against, in 2012
• Consistently voted for a reduction in spending on welfare benefitsShow votes51 votes for, 0 votes against, 3 absences, between 2012–2016
• Almost always voted against spending public money to create guaranteed jobs for young people who have spent a long time unemployed

Nice lass

 

[Adam-GOTTV]

How Anna Soubry voted on Welfare and Benefits #

• Almost always voted for reducing housing benefit for social tenants deemed to have excess bedrooms (which Labour describe as the "bedroom tax") Show votes14 votes for, 0 votes against, 3 absences, between 2012–2014
• Consistently voted against raising welfare benefits at least in line with prices Show votes0 votes for, 5 votes against, in 2013
• Consistently voted against paying higher benefits over longer periods for those unable to work due to illness or disabilityShow votes0 votes for, 15 votes against, between 2011–2016
• Consistently voted for making local councils responsible for helping those in financial needafford their council taxand reducing the amount spent on such support Show votes4 votes for, 0 votes against, in 2012
• Consistently voted for a reduction in spending on welfare benefitsShow votes51 votes for, 0 votes against, 3 absences, between 2012–2016
• Almost always voted against spending public money to create guaranteed jobs for young people who have spent a long time unemployed

Nice lass

Yeah, at the top of the page where you got this from it says "Anna Soubry has quite often rebelled against their party in the current parliament." My point was they don't all think or act the same way.

 

[Adam-GOTTV]

Honest question, you say 'some' of their policies, I am at a loss as to which policies of the current government have been beneficial?

Idk, I'm going to find it hard to defend the policies of a party I don't support but at a glance, I don't think 'supporting a UK city in making a bid to host the 2022 Commonwealth Games' isn't something that's not beneficial.

This would have been a lot easier if I'd have just come in here and said "SHOOT ALL THE TORIES", wouldn't it?

 

[Boss_Blue]

Idk, I'm going to find it hard to defend the policies of a party I don't support but at a glance, I don't think 'supporting a UK city in making a bid to host the 2022 Commonwealth Games' isn't something that's not beneficial.

So you don't really know what you're defending here then?

I find the party and its policies abhorrent as should all decent human beings that aren't more concerned with what benefits them rather than others.

 

[Number_25]

The only good Tory is a dead one.

 

[Brendan Janus]

Tories Amos was very much maligned !

 

[dholliday]

If you want to look for 'maligned', look at Corbyn. Someone earlier described him and the current labour policies as extreme left and that is laughable, stood next to right wing tory policies now, it's too easy to say that, but in comparison to someone like Wilson they are still closer to Blair than Bevan, yet according to popular media representation you'd think we have a politburo in waiting.
The tories get a very easy ride.

Indeed. Tories are maligned by the left, Corbyn is maligned by the right and a lot of the left, it's very odd

I've lost all respect for my old paper The Guardian these last few years, one of the reasons is how they went after Corbyn. Had bad agenda written all over it.

Tories and them being in power are a necessary evil to show just how stupid the general population are.

Bring back the Monster Raving Loony Party!

The right is now the centre ground in popular discourse.

Disagree. Popular discourse is centred around cringeworthy and counter-productive identity politics, which used to be on the fringe Left.

Labour's worst mistakes have usually come when they try to act Tory - Iraq, PFI etc under Blair, and some of the stuff Wilson got up to like his daft fiscal policy, and deepening the Beeching cuts. In terms of actually adding value to the country (or at least saving it money), they have a far better record than the Tories - the NHS (which even in its current dismal state costs less per head in state funding than Medicaid does in the US and provides a vastly better service), and the massive housebuilding schemes under Attlee and Wilson (which cost less and earned more than the current policy of paying HB / UC for private dwellings) to cite the two biggest.

So if the Tories (and including New Labour's Tory-lite) keep making so many mistakes why have they been in constant power for 40 years? And is Britain a rubbish place to live as a result?

I think the hysterical reaction to them is sometimes unwarranted, but then we live in the internet age and I think people like outrage. With that said, some of their policies have genuinely had a detrimental impact on people's lives, so criticism is valid (as it is with any party who makes bad decisions, and they all do because that's the nature of government).

But like any group of people, they have good and bad eggs. I honestly think there's a decent portion of Tory MPs currently sitting in parliament who don't really even warrant the Conservative tag (think Anna Soubry). I personally don't align with them on much but that's just me.

So to conclude, my answer is yes and no. Sorry to be a fence stroker.

Reasonable post this. People are people and even within political parties they'll be vast differences of opinion. The Tories always get in because, as @Charlie Sweet admitted earlier, they're much better organised and thus pull off a more professional aura than the opposing Parties.

I find the party and its policies abhorrent as should all decent human beings that aren't more concerned with what benefits them rather than others.

Big words from Scrappy Doo here. Almost reads like virtue-signalling.

The only good Tory is a dead one.

In your head, when you wrote this, were you joking?

 

[peteblue]

How Anna Soubry voted on Welfare and Benefits #

• Almost always voted for reducing housing benefit for social tenants deemed to have excess bedrooms (which Labour describe as the "bedroom tax") Show votes14 votes for, 0 votes against, 3 absences, between 2012–2014
• Consistently voted against raising welfare benefits at least in line with prices Show votes0 votes for, 5 votes against, in 2013
• Consistently voted against paying higher benefits over longer periods for those unable to work due to illness or disabilityShow votes0 votes for, 15 votes against, between 2011–2016
• Consistently voted for making local councils responsible for helping those in financial needafford their council taxand reducing the amount spent on such support Show votes4 votes for, 0 votes against, in 2012
• Consistently voted for a reduction in spending on welfare benefitsShow votes51 votes for, 0 votes against, 3 absences, between 2012–2016
• Almost always voted against spending public money to create guaranteed jobs for young people who have spent a long time unemployed

Nice lass

Yeah, that’s Remainers for you.........