Current Affairs Are the Tories unfairly maligned?

generally, are the Tories unfairly maligned?

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dholliday

dholliday

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We've even got a thread on here titled "scummy tories"...they don't half get a lot of hate yet they've been the dominating force in British politics over the last 40 years (you could even argue New Labour was Tory-lite).

Is life in Blighty really so bad? It's actually a fair & pleasant land compared with a lot of what else is out there, is this despite of or thanks to the Conservative Party regularly governing the land?

Do they deserve all that bile? Are they actual evil incarnate? Was Maggie really a witch? Or is the hate counter-productive? Mayhap it's the quality of public debate that's the problem, with its thirst for tribalist venom-spouting over constructive intellectual criticism. See also Brexit & Trump. George Orwell warned us of succumbing to this with his two-minute hate concept, but then again 1984 is being used as a manual-for-governance, not as the warning for which it was intended (and that's a worldwide trend, not a Tory thing).

Britain appeared to offer more balanced, grown-up debate in the 70's, and it resulted in a proper Labour government. The caveat of that being the economy was a little unhealthy, which thatcherism due to globalist business ideals arguably dragged Britain out of. They've also led the way in gender-equality at the very top of governance. So maybe the Tories aren't as bad as all that...and they do get the most people voting for them.

What say yous?
 
dholliday said:
Not a public vote so feel safe to click "yes".


We've even got a thread on here titled "scummy tories"...they don't half get a lot of hate yet they've been the dominating force in British politics over the last 40 years (you could even argue New Labour was Tory-lite).

Is life in Blighty really so bad? It's actually a fair & pleasant land compared with a lot of what else is out there, is this despite of or thanks to the Conservative Party regularly governing the land?

Do they deserve all that bile? Are they actual evil incarnate? Was Maggie really a witch? Or is the hate counter-productive? Mayhap it's the quality of public debate that's the problem, with its thirst for tribalist venom-spouting over constructive intellectual criticism. See also Brexit & Trump. George Orwell warned us of succumbing to this with his two-minute hate concept, but then again 1984 is being used as a manual-for-governance, not as the warning for which it was intended (and that's a worldwide trend, not a Tory thing).

Britain appeared to offer more balanced, grown-up debate in the 70's, and it resulted in a proper Labour government. The caveat of that being the economy was a little unhealthy, which thatcherism due to globalist business ideals arguably dragged Britain out of. They've also led the way in gender-equality at the very top of governance. So maybe the Tories aren't as bad as all that...and they do get the most people voting for them.

What say yous?
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Why do you do things like this, you just can`t help yourself can you
 
COYBL25 said:
Why do you do things like this, you just can`t help yourself can you
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From the fence you get to see both sides, with each leg dangling over each side you can step foot on both sides' grass and marvel at how so many see with only one eye, yet they have two.

If only they could see what I see with their eyes.

Hence the thread and anonymous poll x
 
dholliday said:
From the fence you get to see both sides, with each leg dangling over each side you can step foot on both sides' grass and marvel at how so many see with only one eye, yet they have two.

If only they could see what I see with their eyes.

Hence the thread and anonymous poll x
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If the last bits a quote from Blade Runner - Roy Batty, it should read :

" If only they could see what I have seen with their eyes "

Nice try though x
 
Depising the Tories on the internet is one thing, but in reality half of the electorate are voting for them (broadly speaking, perhaps not in L8). So the Tories are subhuman scumbags commentary that you see here and elsewhere is not to be taken seriously. I pity the fool who actually despises 50 percent of people they pass on the street, but most grownups aren't like that.
 
dholliday said:
Not a public vote so feel safe to click "yes".


We've even got a thread on here titled "scummy tories"...they don't half get a lot of hate yet they've been the dominating force in British politics over the last 40 years (you could even argue New Labour was Tory-lite).

Is life in Blighty really so bad? It's actually a fair & pleasant land compared with a lot of what else is out there, is this despite of or thanks to the Conservative Party regularly governing the land?

Do they deserve all that bile? Are they actual evil incarnate? Was Maggie really a witch? Or is the hate counter-productive? Mayhap it's the quality of public debate that's the problem, with its thirst for tribalist venom-spouting over constructive intellectual criticism. See also Brexit & Trump. George Orwell warned us of succumbing to this with his two-minute hate concept, but then again 1984 is being used as a manual-for-governance, not as the warning for which it was intended (and that's a worldwide trend, not a Tory thing).

Britain appeared to offer more balanced, grown-up debate in the 70's, and it resulted in a proper Labour government. The caveat of that being the economy was a little unhealthy, which thatcherism due to globalist business ideals arguably dragged Britain out of. They've also led the way in gender-equality at the very top of governance. So maybe the Tories aren't as bad as all that...and they do get the most people voting for them.

What say yous?
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The DNA of the Tory party is to subjugate the working classes.

Unless you're born with a silver spoon the Conservatives are your worst enemy. Sometimes they try and dress it up or spin it another way but leopards never change their spots!
 
Charlie Sweet said:
The DNA of the Tory party is to subjugate the working classes.

Unless you're born with a silver spoon the Conservatives are your worst enemy. Sometimes they try and dress it up or spin it another way but leopards never change their spots!
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Hahahahahaha........this surely is a joke, right............
 
Black Belt Jones said:
Depising the Tories on the internet is one thing, but in reality half of the electorate are voting for them (broadly speaking, perhaps not in L8). So the Tories are subhuman scumbags commentary that you see here and elsewhere is not to be taken seriously. I pity the fool who actually despises 50 percent of people they pass on the street, but most grownups aren't like that.
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Rubbish. 52% of the population voted Leave so anything is possible. And this added millions to the recent Tory vote.

The stereotype Tory voting working class man - the aspirational Essex bloke - has the social conscience of a sewer rat so sure there will always be outliers.

The Tory party is all about the individual - let the strong prosper, minimise taxation and every man prosper. Which is fine if Daddy left you a nice inheritance.

As the old song used to go "I've never met a nice South African" well likewise " I've never met a nice Tory".
 
This quote sums the Tories up:

"[The Conservatives] believe the only way to persuade millionaires to work harder is to give them more money.

But they also seem to believe that the only way to make ordinary people work harder is to take money away.”

In terms of fiscal prudence and generally being 'adult' in their politics, yes, they are unfairly maligned. They are a much 'safer' bet for the country than a Corbyn-led Labour ever would be.

However, in terms of how their politics influence society they are elitism personified. That's why I can't hand on heart say they are unfairly maligned, because they don't give a toss about people other than themselves. Ironically, Labour are the other way - they want to fix every problem yet have no idea how to do it, and thus cause more damage in the process.

I'm talking about when both parties are extreme left and right, as they are now due to Corbyn and Brexit respectively. When both parties move a bit to the centre, they both benefit from it - but they're too blind/stupid/disinterested/self-serving to see it.
 
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