Current Affairs Are the Tories unfairly maligned?

[magicjuan]

I've lost all respect for my old paper The Guardian these last few years, one of the reasons is how they went after Corbyn. Had bad agenda written all over it.




Bring back the Monster Raving Loony Party!




Disagree. Popular discourse is centred around cringeworthy and counter-productive identity politics, which used to be on the fringe Left.




So if the Tories (and including New Labour's Tory-lite) keep making so many mistakes why have they been in constant power for 40 years? And is Britain a rubbish place to live as a result?




Reasonable post this. People are people and even within political parties they'll be vast differences of opinion. The Tories always get in because, as @Charlie Sweet admitted earlier, they're much better organised and thus pull off a more professional aura than the opposing Parties.




Big words from Scrappy Doo here. Almost reads like virtue-signalling.




In your head, when you wrote this, were you joking?

I think they 'always get in' because they are prepared to do the bidding of corporate and commercial interests primarily, it was the 'change' sought from Blair (I.e. the removal of clause 4), that allowed him victory. Fear is a great manipulator and being at the forefront, the vast majority of media propel this pre election, nothing of any benefit to the majority is promoted for anyone who doesn't tow the corporate line.

 

[Boss_Blue]

Big words from Scrappy Doo here. Almost reads like virtue-signalling.

I've clearly been brainwashed by the clique.

Fun fact, @magicjuan is actually the clique godfather and is leading an underground, socialist paramilitary force to fight against the shadowy Tory influence that threatens GOT.

 

[dholliday]

I think they 'always get in' because they are prepared to do the bidding of corporate and commercial interests primarily, it was the 'change' sought from Blair (I.e. the removal of clause 4), that allowed him victory. Fear is a great manipulator and being at the forefront, the vast majority of media propel this pre election, nothing of any benefit to the majority is promoted for anyone who doesn't tow the corporate line.

It's not corporate and commercial interests which vote, tho'...it's the people. The people don't vote Tory for fear, they vote them for stability (not the same thing as blank fear).

 

[Adam-GOTTV]

So you don't really know what you're defending here then?.

What? How can I defend something I don't support? My point is, and has been for about three [Poor language removed] posts now, that not all Tories (MPs, supporters and voters) think, do and act the same way and not all of their proposals and policies hurt people.

Why is this so hard to get across?

 

[Boss_Blue]

It's not corporate and commercial interests which vote, tho'...it's the people.

You're purposely omitting the medias influence on the British electorate.

 

[zzr45]

Yeah, the Tories rob from the needy!

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/...Has-Labour-really-ransacked-our-pensions.html

Erm, Erm, That was NEOLIBERAL Labour, doesn't count.

Nah mate. If it's black and white and moos it's a cow. If a Labour Government then it's Labour. Both as sly as each other. Please lord grant us a decent third way one day.

 

[dholliday]

You're purposely omitting the medias influence on the British electorate.

Not purposefully, I agree they have significant influence. They painted John Mayor's government as sleazy & dirty which helped Blair win in '97, so it works both ways. At the end of the day tho' the people can think for themselves, and do so.

 

[Boss_Blue]

What? How can I defend something I don't support?

I don't know Adam.

I think the hysterical reaction to them is sometimes unwarranted

Oh.

And mind the language please.

 

[Prevenger17]

Whether you're left or right (whatever that even means), I think the extreme elements on both sides of the spectrum are far more damaging to the political dialogue than any one party. By almost all measures, I would be considered a very liberal person, but I'm dismayed at some of the name-calling and utterly redundant generalisations that are slung from one side to the other, including mine.

Maybe it's just me, but people seem more polarised than ever on this stuff, despite the fact that the average Joe (that includes most of us on here) have little to no clue what they're talking about in the larger scheme of things. People think they have all the answers and shouting down anyone who contradicts them, there's absolutely no humility in it imo

 

[Adam-GOTTV]

I don't know Adam.

Saying people overreact to things is not the same as defending the Tories. Come on mate, be fair.

 

[dholliday]

Saying people overreact to things is not the same as defending the Tories. Come on mate, be fair.

Classic strawman. Online debate suffers a lot due to bringing out the strawman.

 

[Bungle]

Saying people overreact to things is not the same as defending the Tories. Come on mate, be fair.

Stop overreacting please Adam you horrible Tory.

 

[Goat]

Can you please stop bumping this thread.

Everytime I see it on the forum home page it makes me wanna commit mass murder.

Its utterly unreal I have to read this, on an Everton forum, utterly shameful.

 

[Boss_Blue]

Maybe it's just me, but people seem more polarised than ever on this stuff, despite the fact that the average Joe (that includes most of us on here) have little to no clue what they're talking about in the larger scheme of things. People think they have all the answers and shouting down anyone who contradicts them, there's absolutely no humility in it imo

Agree with you to an extent mate but using Universal Credit and the change in how rent payments are made to landlords as an example, how anyone can defend the party that implements such a damaging change to a large part of the electorate is beyond me - regardless of what part of the political spectrum you identify with.

 

[Boss_Blue]

Classic strawman. Online debate suffers a lot due to bringing out the strawman.

Considering that this thread was posted as bait, I find your dismay to be disingenuous.

I'd have ignored it completely if it weren't for the fact that others seeing this thread might get the wrong impression about the forum.