Current Affairs Afghanistan

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And you haven’t a clue do you. This is not a U.K. political issue any more. But hey, Brexit, Scummy Tories, Boris, Immigration, whatever…..

I'm quite sure you've displayed you're woefully ignorant when it comes to foreign policy in this thread.

You keep comparing ww2 reconstruction of Germany to this. It's completely different, and you compare the continued station of American troops there as if it is similar to the nature of deployment in Afghanistan.

After the war, the Germans and Japanese if you want to include those efforts as well did not have large segments of populations engaging in guerilla warfare. Those populations were unified people who saw themselves as a nation state.

Afghanistan like much of the middle east is just arbitrary lines that have grouped tribes and religious sects together that at this point do not see themselves as having a shared identity. They don't want to have a western society at this point. I don't know how you haven't learned over the past 20 years, you can't just murder people into submission into accepting the way of life you want them to have.

After 20 years of allied influence/rule the Germans and Japanese were in a far different situation than what Afghanistan is. It doesn't matter how long we stay there, with how many troops. Sure you could effectively oppress them into it with massive resources expended, it's just not worth it.

It's a shame. I feel for those who spilled blood fighting for it to see it all go to waste. But it's like getting someone to quit drugs or make a big life change, they've got to want to do it themselves or it'll never take.

And your whole conclusion you jumped to as if Japan/US is just going to hand over Taiwan was just another dramatic, ignorant view.

I won't even go near the BLM thing, that was just bizarre.
 
Seeing the videos this morning of the madness at Kabul airport. They will do will to avoid heavy casualties (civilian) if they don’t get a handle on things soon. Already videos of 3 people allegedly shot by the 82nd airborne. Absolute clusterfuck.
 
Seeing the videos this morning of the madness at Kabul airport. They will do will to avoid heavy casualties (civilian) if they don’t get a handle on things soon. Already videos of 3 people allegedly shot by the 82nd airborne. Absolute clusterfuck.


With that many people on the apron, the plane would struggle to take off and that's if it is fuelled and ready etc. The vacuum without the ANA/Police is worrying.
 
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Bit confused why some think this will have negative impact on Bidens popularity, in few weeks time no one in America is going to care one bit about this. The troops are out and thus the average joe has no reason to care about Afghanistan anymore… just like before 9/11.

Im sure Republicans will try and use it as a stick to beat Biden with as will the MAGA lot but I have hard time believing anyone is going to factor in Afghanistan when they go to vote in a few years.
 
Bit confused why some think this will have negative impact on Bidens popularity, in few weeks time no one in America is going to care one bit about this. The troops are out and thus the average joe has no reason to care about Afghanistan anymore… just like before 9/11.

Im sure Republicans will try and use it as a stick to beat Biden with as will the MAGA lot but I have hard time believing anyone is going to factor in Afghanistan when they go to vote in a few years.

they’ll bang on about this for years - despite Trumps much greater role in this, it will be the shame of Kabul, the betrayal of our allies etc etc
 
they’ll bang on about this for years - despite Trumps much greater role in this, it will be the shame of Kabul, the betrayal of our allies etc etc

Yeh but i doubt its going to swing anyone to vote one way or another. For years now both left and right have been in favour of bringing troops home and ending the occupation, sure some will now pretend that it was a bad thing they never wanted to happen but deep down they know they are just being disingenuous for the sake of partisanship.

There will be much more important issues at hand in the next election imo and Afghanistan will be an after thought.
 
Bit confused why some think this will have negative impact on Bidens popularity, in few weeks time no one in America is going to care one bit about this. The troops are out and thus the average joe has no reason to care about Afghanistan anymore… just like before 9/11.

Im sure Republicans will try and use it as a stick to beat Biden with as will the MAGA lot but I have hard time believing anyone is going to factor in Afghanistan when they go to vote in a few years.
History repeating itself. Gerald Ford's presidency was hit by the images of the fall of Daigon coupled with Nixon's parfoning.
Fast forward 40+ years and Biden has to suffer the images we see now in addition to the lack of any prosecution of Trump or the Jan 6th insurrectionists. He'll be portrayed as weak and will be hurt by Democratic apathy as much as anything
 
With the constant wars in the Middle East thrown in with China's shenanigans and their love of breeding killer respiratory viruses through poor sanitation/wet markets the sooner the West is self sufficient and keeps these rogue states at arms length the better.
 
Seeing the videos this morning of the madness at Kabul airport. They will do will to avoid heavy casualties (civilian) if they don’t get a handle on things soon. Already videos of 3 people allegedly shot by the 82nd airborne. Absolute clusterfuck.
the yanks/British will either have to take it over or do a deal with the Taliban to get its people out.
those poor people at the airport are fleeing for their lives literally, god help them (if there is such a thing)
 
Birds of a feather...

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Hamas have celebrated the Taliban victory by releasing a statement previously unseen photos of their secret meeting in May in Qatar.

'The Taliban are victorious today after being accused of backwardness & terrorism, it became more pragmatic. They have stood up to the US & its agents, refusing to compromise, they have not been fooled by slogans like democracy & elections or false promises. This is a lesson for all oppressed peoples.'
 
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