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This is easily verified as untrue in just about any western nation. It's a lazy take masquerading as some sort of edgy ITK nihilism.
Can speak for the frustrated, tired, let down, having given up with, the system and all the pigs in its trough though. Eventually tuning out is the easy and least painful option. A part of this is what the 'smash it to pieces' make britain/u.s. great again has tapped into, "I don't want to think, you do it for me and make my life better!".
Its been a long road getting to here, and the suffering its done and the zero accountability for that harm has made deaf the people along the way.

Abolishing career politicians would remedy this, as success off the 'deliver-very-little gravy train' of politics would ensure the feckless like boris never stood a chance.
 
I’ve mentioned this on here before (probably in the old CA forum) but my mate runs an estate agents out in Spain and the stories he has of all the British expats who voted for brexit then had to sell up and move home are wild.

Turns out, when you have several hundred people trying to sell villas they paid £200k+ for all at the same time, none of them got anywhere near that amount back.

Many tantrums, blaming everyone else around them, zero self awareness.
Happened when the German govt decided to tax homes abroad and suddenly the choice villas in Spain that'd been in the same families for generations suddenly couldn't be afforded. The knock on effect was there was suddenly a lot less money in Spain and hamstrung their economy through no specific fault of theirs. I always wondered why a dual* ownership venture* couldn't be utilised to work around that 'ownership' issue. Like a share in a business where 3 parties own a property, two for 25 weeks in the year each and the holding company proper for the remaining two. I'm no accountant or solicitor though.
 
I'm a relatively normal bloke - I like to think. I'm in no position to try and force my views on other people. Politics is personal. PR and propaganda are poweful tools.
I didn't vote for this Labour government and many who did are now regretting that decision. Bizarre really when you think of the shambles the tories left - but this lot are taking it to another level. There's outright liars and corruption at the highest levels. I don't forgive self aggrandisement, cheating, tax dodging or cronyism. I think most of the country agree as Reform are polling at 30% - almost double Labour. I'd never vote for the tories and lib dems and greens are irrelevant in my view. It's too easy to say I won't take part in elections - but that abdicates responsibility. I read Animal Farm. Tells me a lot about politicians. How do the succesful ones nearly all become multi millionaires from relatively modest MP salaries. They should be audited every year.
So what does Reform offer me? A chance for change - and maybe a chance that they'll get some people in who are cleverer than me - with business savvy - to run this country properly. Will it work ? I dunno. Probably not. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
I've said my bit. I'm aware some people on here won't agree - and that's fine. Liverpool is a historic left wing leaning city. I don't live there.
We have Everton Football Club in common - and maybe that's enough for me. I certainly don't come on here looking for lifestyle choice advice and wouldn't expect to tell anyone else how to live theirs. I don't know them or what their circumstances are. I wish them all well though. Peace and love fella.
I take it that you didn't vote Tory as well then. Who did you vote for?
 
Can speak for the frustrated, tired, let down, having given up with, the system and all the pigs in its trough though. Eventually tuning out is the easy and least painful option. A part of this is what the 'smash it to pieces' make britain/u.s. great again has tapped into, "I don't want to think, you do it for me and make my life better!".
Its been a long road getting to here, and the suffering its done and the zero accountability for that harm has made deaf the people along the way.

Abolishing career politicians would remedy this, as success off the 'deliver-very-little gravy train' of politics would ensure the feckless like boris never stood a chance.
I agree that people are frustrated and have a right to be, but pretending there is an equivalency between all political parties is both untrue and unhelpful. I do not think the AfD is the same as SPD, not are Democrats the same as MAGA. Certainly all mainstream parties are infiltrated by lobbying, neoliberalism, and other venal elements to varying degrees, but the key to distinguishing a bad-faith political party from a lesser-evil party, is that that bad-faith political party invents scapegoats (immigrants, LGBT, globalists) as the primary cause of society's problems.

It's a simple formula; if a given political party only harps on scapegoats such as immigrants (or Jews in 1930s Germany), then that party is not in it to increase your well-being, they are in it to increase their own power. Just look at MAGA, they pretty much ran on invented scapegoats, such as immigrants and trans folk, and now that they have achieved power they have done jack-sh1t for their voting base in terms of healthcare, cost-of-living, taxation, etc.
 
I couldn't give a toss about any political party, they're all essentially the same but with different colour schemes.

So viewing actual fact rather than through red-tinted spectacles:

  • Labour's 1997-2010 tenure included the most spectacular foreign policy disaster in British history, Tony Blair forcing Britain in to an unprovoked invasion of Iraq which killed 100,000s of people and collapsed the region, and lead to the Islamist takeover of various parts of the Middle East and North Africa, and the resulting terror attacks and mass displacement of people we've experienced since.
  • If you discount Labour's handling of the financial crisis (which happened 9 years in to their government, in which time they could've changed banking regulation, by the way), then do you discount the impact of Covid on the Tories' legacy, because that was also a 'global crisis'?
It'll be nice when people realise that they're all as bad as each other, rather than sticking up for people who don't care about you or your community.
I certainly don’t have red tinted spectacles, I will call out any government who act inappropriately against the good of the public, but in response to your points above.

1. The destabilisation of Iraq and the aftermath were a result of the acts of war initiated by Iraq when they invaded Kuwait,
Then when they slaughtered their own people to stop an uprising and refused to comply with the UN with regards to its weapons policy.
As a result, British MPs including the non governing Tory’s were given a vote on whether to go to war and voted to do so.
To pin this completely on Blair’s government and call it a failure of foreign policy is in my opinion at best fanciful and nothing more than political point scoring.
Also, it’s amazing people never remember who was in power and brought peace and the Good Friday Agreement to fruition when talking about that government.

2. I m aware Labour did nothing to change the deregulation brought about by Thatchers government, just as they didn’t re-nationalise everything the Tory’s sold off.

However, I’m not sure how you can compare the management of the financial crisis and the bailing out of the banks to the blatant corruption and theft of public money in dodgy covid contracts and covid fraud which was allowed to be carried out by the last government. Thats pretty incredible mental gymnastics in my opinion.

I’m not in disagreement with you that the majority get screwed over in this country whichever one of them is in.
However, the one big difference between them has always been that Labour have done more for working people and families than the Tory’s have ever done. So that in my view is why I would always side with them.
 
It's a simple formula; if a given political party only harps on scapegoats such as immigrants (or Jews in 1930s Germany), then that party is not in it to increase your well-being, they are in it to increase their own power. Just look at MAGA, they pretty much ran on invented scapegoats, such as immigrants and trans folk, and now that they have achieved power they have done jack-sh1t for their voting base in terms of healthcare, cost-of-living, taxation, etc.
Trump is clueless around Domestic Policy and so he chooses to focus on Foreign Policy. It's exactly what Hitler did and that didn't turn out too well.
 
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