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LostLegend said:
To add to this, we saw what happens when you go from bad to truly incompetent politicians in the short time Truss was in office, when she and Kwarteng dropped a bomb on the economy to the value of £30 billion with their mini budget.

Lee Anderson, Dorries & co are in that same bracket of utter incompetence.
Even if someone somehow agrees with their politics, they’d have to still be aware that Reform will be a complete disaster for this countries economy.

Or maybe that’s too much to hope for…:oops:
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They also have plans to appoint their own judges, bishops, and civil servants, and have their own version of ICE.

They are MAGA UK. 100%.
 
Blue 1 said:
They also have plans to appoint their own judges, bishops, and civil servants, and have their own version of ICE.

They are MAGA UK. 100%.
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When it comes to the monarchy, I’m generally in favour of abolishing them.
If I were to make an argument for keeping them it’s that you’d have to expect Charles would be able to prevent anyone going as far off the reservation as Trump has over there.

But yes, it is concerning how many are cheerleading what’s taking place over in the states.
Will be interesting to see how the “no to digital id” crowd react when they start getting masked agents demanding to see their papers for real.
 
Ming the Merciful said:
Potentially and I'm not saying I don't agree with the sentiment.

I just don't think there's a realistic possibility of achieving the necessary ground swell of voters, at least not in the short term.

There's too many people so entrenched in their voting choice for it to work in my opinion.
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Oh yeah, I totally agree - it's nowhere near reality at the moment, but it's a valid stance.

I think the country (and the West in general) is on a very dangerous trajectory - our institutions and culture have been hollowed out and the gap between the rich and poor has massively widened (intentionally). That is a recipe for disaster, and shackles like Digital ID, Digital currency, the surveillance state and censorship is going to make the inevitable backlash extremely violent. This is why I advocate for disengaging with the system, entirely, and would prefer an administrative reset rather than civil war.

The point about entrenched voting is important, though I think people's allegiances to parties is nowhere near as strong as they used to be. To me, what's more concerning is the entrenched view that voting is important, and all the false propaganda around that: "People fought in wars for the right to vote" (no they didn't) / "If you don't vote, you can't have an opinion" (Yes I can).

These cancelled local elections is an interesting case in point - in a real democracy, no one would stand for it to the point where they wouldn't be cancelled in the first place, but everyone is used to Politicians doing what they want, and the media don't challenge it. And from my point of view, this furore over 'people losing their right to vote' is actually a great tactic to entrench people in to the idea of voting even more. So they will engage with the system when they get the chance, therefore legitimising whatever flavour of the uniparty wins the next election.
 
Blue 1 said:
They also have plans to appoint their own judges, bishops, and civil servants, and have their own version of ICE.

They are MAGA UK. 100%.
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The only hope I have for Britain is we aren't quite as universally stupid as the US and we have a natural distrust of all politicians, so won't blindly follow them and ignore their crimes. We've come close before, but usually realise and correct course before it's too late.

That said, starmer is doing his best to hand the loons at reform the country on a plate.
 
Thomasc said:
Except Labour didn’t leave a mess in 2010.

That was caused by the global banking crisis and bailing the banks out which were deregulated by Thatcher.

So try again, this time with facts.

The Tory manifesto and budget plans in 2010 weren’t too dissimilar to labours.

If you even mention the note left by Liam Byrne in the treasury I might get insulting 😉

https://politicsandinsights.org/201...r-did-not-cause-the-recession/comment-page-1/
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I couldn't give a toss about any political party, they're all essentially the same but with different colour schemes.

So viewing actual fact rather than through red-tinted spectacles:

  • Labour's 1997-2010 tenure included the most spectacular foreign policy disaster in British history, Tony Blair forcing Britain in to an unprovoked invasion of Iraq which killed 100,000s of people and collapsed the region, and lead to the Islamist takeover of various parts of the Middle East and North Africa, and the resulting terror attacks and mass displacement of people we've experienced since.
  • If you discount Labour's handling of the financial crisis (which happened 9 years in to their government, in which time they could've changed banking regulation, by the way), then do you discount the impact of Covid on the Tories' legacy, because that was also a 'global crisis'?
It'll be nice when people realise that they're all as bad as each other, rather than sticking up for people who don't care about you or your community.
 
trueblue84 said:
The only hope I have for Britain is we aren't quite as universally stupid as the US and we have a natural distrust of all politicians, so won't blindly follow them and ignore their crimes. We've come close before, but usually realise and correct course before it's too late.

That said, starmer is doing his best to hand the loons at reform the country on a plate.
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I'm not so sure, this section of the right have started to pretend they hold Christian values
 
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