A plea

[Rita_Poon]

Sadly, the draw of personality has allowed the most underqualified a route to power. This is the age of the tik-tok megastar, of reality tv, and phone in polls for the winner. Quiet competence isn't sexy enough, so someone shaved a yeti and kicked it through topman and we ended up with...

(I said a long time ago starmers problems started at his first name, 'sir'. And his staid courtroom manner does little to connect him with the average joe.)
As you've mentioned major, he's gone up in my estimation in recent years, he actively went for boris, and there's nothing I like more than tory on tory destruction.

Boris Johnson's government has damaged the UK, ex-PM John Major says

Sir John Major tells MPs the prime minister's government has "broken the law" and "ignored" conventions.

www.bbc.co.uk

Let the country put reform in, this is the same country that voted brexit and cost itself £90B a year. britain needs taking out back and putting down. Rome fell, Greece fell, the Mongols fell, the Aztecs fell, Byzantines fell, Ottomans the same. And who misses them? We get a bit of tv out of tony robinson and time team but who really cares? Stick the commonwealth in the bin as well. Good riddance.

 

[bicycleheader]

I don't give a monkeys what some half wit thinks.

I think if you believe all parties and politicians are more or less the same, I can understand why with the state of politics you might have that opinion

However surely just a short while reading up on Farage's dodgy links and the actual set up, funding and personnel of Reform would clearly show this is not a good idea. Some of it is so obvious it is ridiculous he is not out of the picture a long time ago.

If you look at what's happening in the US and at least think, that's a bit mad....well then that is the road that Reform would try to take the UK down. If you take the embracing of Trump in the last 10yrs in the US as just people protesting against mainstream politics, well it's turned out horrifically. I don't see how it could be seen as a good idea for the UK.

I think there's two options in the west in most places. Revolution and tear the whole thing down and eat the rich OR most likely keep voting for the relatively normal party that aren't shouting about immigrants every day and do actually seem to have policies and plans. The other option is just not ever going to be good for normal people as much as they are made to believe it is.

 

[COYBL25]

Sadly, the draw of personality has allowed the most underqualified a route to power. This is the age of the tik-tok megastar, of reality tv, and phone in polls for the winner. Quiet competence isn't sexy enough, so someone shaved a yeti and kicked it through topman and we ended up with...

(I said a long time ago starmers problems started at his first name, 'sir'. And his staid courtroom manner does little to connect him with the average joe.)
As you've mentioned major, he's gone up in my estimation in recent years, he actively went for boris, and there's nothing I like more than tory on tory destruction.

Boris Johnson's government has damaged the UK, ex-PM John Major says

Sir John Major tells MPs the prime minister's government has "broken the law" and "ignored" conventions.

www.bbc.co.uk

Let the country put reform in, this is the same country that voted brexit and cost itself £90B a year. britain needs taking out back and putting down. Rome fell, Greece fell, the Mongols fell, the Aztecs fell, Byzantines fell, Ottomans the same. And who misses them? We get a bit of tv out of tony robinson and time team but who really cares? Stick the commonwealth in the bin as well. Good riddance.

I read something elsewhere, which I think perfectly summed up the British public and it`s attitude to politics at the moment :

" The British public are more concerned with what`s going on with The Traitors, than what is going on with the country "

 

[Yarrgh]

I remember when Corbyn was in charge of the Labour party, there was a poll asking people to say which policies they agreed with and giving them the Labour, Conservative and Lib Dem policies - Corbyn's Labour was by far the most supported. However when they were told it was his policies they said they still wouldn't vote for him.

The purpose of this post is that the current political faces on most sides are so poor that character, no matter how awful in Farage's case, seems to go a long long way. I believe all the parties need a serious overhaul in personnel and give us some competition in who looks like they could govern the country, let alone actually come up with policies that speak to people.

 

[Blue 1]

Yeah, that's the issue isn't it. You get someone who seems a decent person and they must get bullied in and out of the party. The same could have been said about John Major, by all accounts a nice guy who knew the names of nearly all the civil servants he worked with and got bullied out

Major didn't get bullied out. He faced down his "bullies" in the Tory party. He lost the 1997 election because people had had enough after 18 years of the bastards.

 

[coollino]

Call this a prediction. Reform are nowhere near the level they are being projected to be. It's ukip but being backed by the media , the more coverage the media give them, the more people are swayed by them being more popular than they are. Come election time , the Tories most likely will meek into power again whilst everyone loses their minds over the big bad Nigel

Labour are doing exactly what the Tories set them up to do.

If their employment policies stay in place, their voters are going to be so screwed. So screwed that they won't notice it isn't simply UK law about immigration.

 

[Rita_Poon]

I read something elsewhere, which I think perfectly summed up the British public and it`s attitude to politics at the moment :

" The British public are more concerned with what`s going on with The Traitors, than what is going on with the country "

oh what bittersweet irony.

 

[coollino]

Also, do people really think Farage won't be in and around the extortionate money the hotel firms make from housing the immigrants? It couldn't be more up his street

 

[coollino]

Major didn't get bullied out. He faced down his "bullies" in the Tory party. He lost the 1997 election because people had had enough after 18 years of the bastards.

One of the recentish Adam Curtis docs painted him in a much better light than others around him

 

[jazzy]

Also, do people really think Farage won't be in and around the extortionate money the hotel firms make from housing the immigrants? It couldn't be more up his street

Well you may be right C bit I'm pretty sure that he will make sure that the hotel that he's profiting from will be a few postcodes away.

 

[Tramps_mate]

I could never ever vote reform or conservative (same thing these days, but with a darker twist), but, at the moment I couldn’t vote for Starmer’s Labour either…. I find myself politically homeless tbh

I'm hoping it's Burnhams Labour, next time we vote...

 

[coollino]

Well you may be right C bit I'm pretty sure that he will make sure that the hotel that he's profiting from will be a few postcodes away.

One will be fine to have in Clacton then

 

[Thomasc]

I don’t forgive outright liars and corruption at the highest levels. I don't forgive self aggrandisement, cheating, tax dodging or cronyism.

Imagine saying that and then voting for a party run by Farage with Lee Anderson and Nadeem Zahawi in it

You are clearly massively contradicting yourself.

Unless of course you are blatantly ignoring everything Farage is accused of, including Russian interference and the source of his financial backing and sticking your fingers in your ears like a child because you don’t want to believe it.

Nathan Gill was convicted of taking Russian bribes and sentenced to 10 years a few weeks ago, that one pass you by?

And this government as lame as they, are nowhere near any levels of corruption and incompetence the Tory’s reached in the Johnson / Truss and Sunak years.

I feel your algorithms are working on you with your right wing news feeds.
That’s what your posts scream to me.

Not even worried about Farage personally. Reform will implode well before the next GE. He’s a buffoon who manages to convince the half wits in society to follow him. The same type of people who fell for the Boris Johnson act, who would never vote Labour in a million years anyway.

I’m really looking forward to Farage and co being brought down. It will be a joy to watch. The racist and xenophobic element of the U.K. obviously won’t enjoy it as much, it will be fun to watch them go into meltdown.

 

[Blue 1]

One of the recentish Adam Curtis docs painted him in a much better light than others around him

Sure, I think he was an honourable man who's policies I vehemently disagreed with at the time, and which hurt a lot of people. I don't think it's wrong to paint him in a better light than the shower of [Poor language removed] that made up his cabinet and back benches at the time. He was a lot more ruthless and tougher than he was often depicted. I'm just pointing out that he wasn't bullied out, he lost an election.

 

[LostLegend]

You might want to learn a bit more about Honest Nige before you vote for him then, pal, and look at what Reform have been doing with the councils they've been attempting to run. As for "cleverer than you" - Nadine Dorries? Jonathan Gullis? Lee Anderson? Really? Don't put yourself down mate. Even the "business savvy" Richard Tice gets regularly embarrassed on TV because he's an ignorant, self-righteous pillock.

They are seriously dangerous. If you think "it couldn't happen here" you'd be very wrong. They would be an.utter disaster. If you think this Labour party are bad, which they are, you ain't seen nothing.

To add to this, we saw what happens when you go from bad to truly incompetent politicians in the short time Truss was in office, when she and Kwarteng dropped a bomb on the economy to the value of £30 billion with their mini budget.

Lee Anderson, Dorries & co are in that same bracket of utter incompetence.
Even if someone somehow agrees with their politics, they’d have to still be aware that Reform will be a complete disaster for this countries economy.

Or maybe that’s too much to hope for…