Current Affairs 2024 POTUS race

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He would, but that wasn't my point.

Biden could have done something about Netanyahu / the direction of travel of Israeli politics at any point up mid-2023 that might have made October 7th not happen. He could have put firm guardrails on what the US would and would not support after October 7th. He didnt do either and it ended up losing Harris part of her base and was probably one of the factors that got young people to not vote for Harris as well.

So are you saying that young American, pro-Palestinian-cause voters in the US shifted their allegiance to Trump given Biden’s mis-handling of the Israel/Gaza situation?

Or are you saying that because of Biden’s inaction over Israel the young voters in the US decided simply not to vote for anyone this time around and thereby denied Harris guaranteed votes.
 
So are you saying that young American, pro-Palestinian-cause voters in the US shifted their allegiance to Trump given Biden’s mis-handling of the Israel/Gaza situation?

Or are you saying that because of Biden’s inaction over Israel the young voters in the US decided simply not to vote for anyone this time around and thereby denied Harris guaranteed votes.

Think they in large part voted for Stein didn't they?
 
So are you saying that young American, pro-Palestinian-cause voters in the US shifted their allegiance to Trump given Biden’s mis-handling of the Israel/Gaza situation?

Or are you saying that because of Biden’s inaction over Israel the young voters in the US decided simply not to vote for anyone this time around and thereby denied Harris guaranteed votes.
Both are equally ludicrous. The idea that young US voters are very animated about Isreal/Gaza is beyond parody - on university campuses? Maybe. Everywhere else? No.
 
So are you saying that young American, pro-Palestinian-cause voters in the US shifted their allegiance to Trump given Biden’s mis-handling of the Israel/Gaza situation?

Or are you saying that because of Biden’s inaction over Israel the young voters in the US decided simply not to vote for anyone this time around and thereby denying Harris guaranteed votes.

I am saying a lot of the Muslim and or pro-Palestinian vote appears to have not voted for Harris, whether it went to Stein, Trump or just didnt vote isnt clear.

In terms of the young men boosting Trump I think its absolutely a factor as well, in fact it may be one of the main factors - take the hypothetical 18-29 year old who uses Instagram, watches UFC, listens to Rogan and the other comedian-podcasters.

These people are not exposed to not a lot of Zionist content (given that they don't generally watch the news or follow politics closely except via long-form podcasts), and the UFC actually gives them positive Muslim role-models such as the Dagestani fighters. They have also been exposed, via Instagram and Rogan / his ilk, to a lot of accurate reporting of what the Israelis are doing now and have been doing since 1948. This hypothetical chap has also seen his government twist itself into ever more absurd positions in order to justify continuing the unjustifiable and without ever explaining why it has done this.... whilst Trump did actually engage with the people they listen to (though never uttered more than it had to end quickly).
 
I said all along that Harris was an appalling candidate. She was never the change candidate and never had the distance from Biden that a Newsom or other candidate would have handed the Democratic campaign.

That's a disaster on so any levels and the Democratic Party elite are responsible for it.

It was irresponsible handing Harris the task of saving so many Americans on domestic issues.

The notion that the abortion issue would swing that election when it was so low down the list of American voter priorities was ridiculous. And there was a failure to acknowledge the gender and racial mountain Harris had to climb on top of all that.

A self inflicted wound.
 
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