Current Affairs 2024 POTUS race

[Pittsburgh Footy]

In the rally last night
they said
America is for Americans
They talked about using military force on the enemy within (last week Trump said Pelosi and Schiff were said enemy)
They denigrated immigrants.

They have cracked down on dissent and disagreement. Trump tried to refuse wildfire aid to CA and hurricane aid to PR because of perceived decent.
They've stacked the courts and pushed through laws that dont have anywhere near majority support
They've proposed bans on entire religions entering the country.
He openly admires strong man/fascist leaders.

It's all there, laid out, but you refuse to see.

edit, as to your last line.
The system of government here (checks and balances/supreme court etc.) put some road blocks in his way, made being an autocrat tough. But he chipped away at that and it'll be much easier this time.

Yeah, i mean i have no idea how to argue with someone that has the gall to say they can't see how Trump is a fascist.

And that's our current political climate in a nutshell

 

[Ruairi77]

He is certainly incompetent.

Vance would not be

Trump, if nothing else, showed more intelligent people with fascist tendencies what a blueprint for power could look like

Prior to Trump, they would not have thought it was possible.

They also know they need someone like trump fronting the operation which is why they are going all in this time round

 

[RAFUH]

 

[Harryflashman]

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Here's the thing though mate, I don't see the republicans as fascist not trump, certainly not Vance.

It's a buzzword thrown out because it resonates due to the history of fascism.

Fascism like any other system has many key markers, I'm not sure how Trump or certainly Vance hit many of these markers at all.

Again Trump isn't some out the blue nominee, he's had a prior term, if he is indeed fascist he's quite possibly the most incompetent one in history given the results

intellectuals have written fairly extensively about what markers he hits . Ultimately extremist leaders get elected because people are ok with it . Some of the electorate deny it when they see it , maybe because they don’t believe it or maybe they don’t want to be perceived that way but the reality is loads simply don’t care .

Whether it’s mass deportations or supporting the police to ‘get a little rough with them’ even advocating no restraint , suggesting his military could shoot protestors , the demonisation of various groups (increasingly across the board ) , undermining of the electoral system , the pursuit of ‘puritanical’ values or craving the nostalgia of a fictional past and pursuing an extreme nationalistic agenda a large proportion of the population are eating it up . Frankly I think a Lot of it reeks of fascism , I’m not suggesting we’re weeks from concentration camps but for me so much of it fits criteria and history I’ve read . However I’ve not been in a room working with him but over a dozen people who have think he’s a fascist . That number seems quite high on the former employee front .

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

If anyone is ready for a laugh, or to understand how we got here, go back and re-read some of the first few pages of this thread.

 

[RAFUH]

If anyone is ready for a laugh, or to understand how we got here, go back and re-read some of the first few pages of this thread.

Closer we get to November 5, the less I can laugh about it.

 

[RAFUH]

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

"both sides are bad though"

Stuff like this was unthinkable 20 years ago

 

[BlueTX]

Don't think either side cares a hoot about the constitution actually mate.

Their in lies the main problem, as an outsider that document was the primary thing which lifted the US from the rest, once it's gone or just cherry picked when it suits, it's gonna be almost impossible to get it back. It's a slippery slope

It's one thing to believe that, but presenting the argument with supportable facts is better.

In this race, we have one candidate who is openly hostile to the Constitution. In his own words. Which have been presented here often.

 

[Amw79]

Do I believe the insurrection was an actual coup attempt, no I don't, it's ridiculous to think a group of unarmed civilians can overthrow the US constitution by wandering around a building chanting some crap whilst Senators and Congressmen acted 'in fear of their lives' - did any of them so much as have their hair ruffled that day btw?

The coup attempt wasn’t the fact that people went into the Capitol. The coup attempt was the false electoral slate scheme which Trump attempted to get away with. Gathering the crowd was a means to delay the process and put pressure on Pence to accept those false slates - “Mike Pence needs to come through for us” etc. Trump tried to bypass the legitimate election results to remain in power against the will of the people. That he failed, does not excuse him.

Failure to understand or accept what Trump was trying to do that day is the single, biggest problem in the US electorate.

 

[bluelife]

I disagree that the U.S. is beyond repair - if Harris can win then it'll go the same way as here - the right will fracture after the Trump gamble, and the "reasonable" side will win out - and we'll be back to a fairly centrist round of elections in 4 years time. If Trump wins then I fear deeply on who comes next, and the power they might inherit

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Vance is just a smarter, more well polished version of Trump

At least now I understand your politics - a fascist-adjacent agenda doesn't turn you off

You do you

If you missed the Ukraine thread, he lives in Russia and is heavily influenced by his Russian wife and mother in law. and is team Putin. I have no doubt that there are MAGA hats in the house.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Genuine question Who has said he’s the new hitler ? I know trump has said people have been calling him hitler but who actually has ?

People have called him a fascist , which is obviously different to calling him Hitler and in fairness most people calling him a fascist worked closely with him .

I believe it was Vance - before he sold his soul.

Edit: "I go back and forth between thinking Trump is a cynical asshole like Nixon who wouldn't be that bad (and might even prove useful) or that he's America's Hitler,"

 

[Tim's tourettes]

I believe it was Vance - before he sold his soul.

Edit: "I go back and forth between thinking Trump is a cynical asshole like Nixon who wouldn't be that bad (and might even prove useful) or that he's America's Hitler,"

Vance, Cruz, alpha male Lindsey Graham , all of them spineless sycophants who, once, actually spoke the truth about Trump before bending over and dropping their trousers for him.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

I believe it was Vance - before he sold his soul.

Edit: "I go back and forth between thinking Trump is a cynical asshole like Nixon who wouldn't be that bad (and might even prove useful) or that he's America's Hitler,"

You're exactly right

It actually was Vance that hypothesized Trump could be America's Hitler until he realized it was politically practical for him to support him