Current Affairs 2024 POTUS race

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Pittsburgh Footy said:
If you were an American in a swing state like Pennsylvania, who would you vote for?
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Tough question to answer.

I'd probably vote republican and hope trump croaked it before ever taking office. Vance has his flaws but out of Trump, Harris, Waltz, Vance. Then I think he's probably the one who will do less damage.

Not exactly a great choice whichever though when the criteria is who will be the least worst.

A Trump vote with him having both houses though would be an absolute catastrophe.
 
bluestevon said:
I don't think Trump is the new Hitler - the comments he are quite frankly are laughable, but what he is without the hyperbole is bad enough - think by over egging it the genuine criticism gets almost lost.
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Genuine question Who has said he’s the new hitler ? I know trump has said people have been calling him hitler but who actually has ?

People have called him a fascist , which is obviously different to calling him Hitler and in fairness most people calling him a fascist worked closely with him .
 
emir said:
Today's GOP?

Why do you think "today's GOP" is able to attract so much support from African Americans, Latinos, Arabs, Jewish, etc in such numbers that has never been seen before?
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so you are saying the GOP will get more than the 90% of the African-American vote that they did in 1924, then?
 
bluestevon said:
But.

Look at the Dems also, just because one side is patently bad does not automatically give the other a pass to acceptance as being good. The democrats are wrecking the constitution just as much as trump did if not moreso, they've gone after a former president in what amounts to a witch hunt using law fare and damn the constitution, the entire pushing of certain agendas which rhyme with joke is from the outside Orwellian in its doctrine. As is them believing that it's fine to have a none functioning president as a figure head whilst unelected officials rule the country.

In short yeah the US does look in a mess, because as a society it seems you've lost all sense of what it actually is.
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With all due respect, it's this type of bothsidesism that perpetuates the divide.

I'll agree that not everything is black/white, good/bad. There is a spectrum. Yet to claim the Dems are "wrecking the Constitution just as much as Trump did, if not moreso" by prosecuting him for crimes is simply a factual and legal error.
 
bluestevon said:
Tough question to answer.

I'd probably vote republican and hope trump croaked it before ever taking office. Vance has his flaws but out of Trump, Harris, Waltz, Vance. Then I think he's probably the one who will do less damage.

Not exactly a great choice whichever though when the criteria is who will be the least worst.

A Trump vote with him having both houses though would be an absolute catastrophe.
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Vance is just a smarter, more well polished version of Trump

At least now I understand your politics - a fascist-adjacent agenda doesn't turn you off

You do you
 
BlueTX said:
With all due respect, it's this type of bothsidesism that perpetuates the divide.

I'll agree that not everything is black/white, good/bad. There is a spectrum. Yet to claim the Dems are "wrecking the Constitution just as much as Trump did, if not moreso" by prosecuting him for crimes is simply a factual and legal error.
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Don't think either side cares a hoot about the constitution actually mate.

Their in lies the main problem, as an outsider that document was the primary thing which lifted the US from the rest, once it's gone or just cherry picked when it suits, it's gonna be almost impossible to get it back. It's a slippery slope
 
bluestevon said:
One of the better posts, sadly I do believe you overestimate the power of people's movements these days, most that seem that way are in fact instigated by external actors.
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I disagree, they certainly try to co-opt these movements but the fear with which they treat them when they do emerge suggests (to me at least) that they understand their power and that they can emerge relatively spontaneously.
 
bluestevon said:
the entire pushing of certain agendas which rhyme with joke is from the outside Orwellian in its doctrine. As is them believing that it's fine to have a none functioning president as a figure head whilst unelected officials rule the country.
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Go on. Have the balls to own your argument.
What Harris agendas are woke?
Why are they woke?
and how are these agendas Orwellian?

And how is Biden non functioning?
And expand on the unelected officials running the country.
Are you talking about the supreme court?
Or civil servants appointed by the president?
Or career civil servants who have served under more than one president?
 
Pittsburgh Footy said:
Vance is just a smarter, more well polished version of Trump

At least now I understand your politics - a fascist-adjacent agenda doesn't turn you off

You do you
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Here's the thing though mate, I don't see the republicans as fascist not trump, certainly not Vance.

It's a buzzword thrown out because it resonates due to the history of fascism.

Fascism like any other system has many key markers, I'm not sure how Trump or certainly Vance hit many of these markers at all.

Again Trump isn't some out the blue nominee, he's had a prior term, if he is indeed fascist he's quite possibly the most incompetent one in history given the results
 
bluestevon said:
Here's the thing though mate, I don't see the republicans as fascist not trump, certainly not Vance.

It's a buzzword thrown out because it resonates due to the history of fascism.

Fascism like any other system has many key markers, I'm not sure how Trump or certainly Vance hit many of these markers at all.

Again Trump isn't some out the blue nominee, he's had a prior term, if he is indeed fascist he's quite possibly the most incompetent one in history given the results
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In the rally last night
they said
America is for Americans
They talked about using military force on the enemy within (last week Trump said Pelosi and Schiff were said enemy)
They denigrated immigrants.

They have cracked down on dissent and disagreement. Trump tried to refuse wildfire aid to CA and hurricane aid to PR because of perceived descent.
They've stacked the courts and pushed through laws that dont have anywhere near majority support
They've proposed bans on entire religions entering the country.
He openly admires strong man/fascist leaders.

It's all there, laid out, but you refuse to see.

edit, as to your last line.
The system of government here (checks and balances/supreme court etc.) put some road blocks in his way, made being an autocrat tough. But he chipped away at that and it'll be much easier this time.
 
bluestevon said:
Here's the thing though mate, I don't see the republicans as fascist not trump, certainly not Vance.

It's a buzzword thrown out because it resonates due to the history of fascism.

Fascism like any other system has many key markers, I'm not sure how Trump or certainly Vance hit many of these markers at all.

Again Trump isn't some out the blue nominee, he's had a prior term, if he is indeed fascist he's quite possibly the most incompetent one in history given the results
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He is certainly incompetent.

Vance would not be

Trump, if nothing else, showed more intelligent people with fascist tendencies what a blueprint for power could look like

Prior to Trump, they would not have thought it was possible.
 
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