Current Affairs 2024 POTUS race

[Pittsburgh Footy]

It's odd sometimes being a white immigrant in America.
I've had people ranting about immigrants to me and when I point out that I'm an immigrant, I get "yeah, but you know what I mean"

Bingo

 

[Ruairi77]

Bingo

Here's a couple of 'illegals' from Africa.

 

[BlueTX]

There are 14 democrats on the committee as well…If you want to point out what’s incorrect about their report then that’s great, but people continuing to say it’s just pure good vs evil while pretending there’s no fault on anything one party does isn’t effective.

Trump 100% gazumped the bipartisan proposal and that’s horrible. Biden also dragged his feet on doing something for far too long, even when liberal cities were saying they didn’t have enough resources. He wanted to have that win in an election year rather than acknowledge and do something before. That proposal also wouldn’t have been a fix but would have helped. They’re all playing games.

If you could point me to an actual report from the Committee, I'd like to see it. All I can quickly find is testimony to the committee from FAIR that estimates $150B in expenses from federal, state, and local governments. That estimate is reached, in part, due to an estimate of population that is 25-30% above the most commonly accepted figures.

It's worth mentioning FAIR was established by a white nationalist and anti-immigration activist and is classified as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

 

[dublinbluenose]

Muslim faith leaders endorse Harris

The vice president is in need of allies in a community that remains frustrated with the administration's handling of the Israel-Hamas war.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Xizor]

Top reasons why Trump should not be president.

1. ⁠⁠⁠⁠ Lost the election and lied about it.Source
2. ⁠⁠⁠⁠ Sent an armed angry mob to Congress and told them they need to fight like hell. Source
3. ⁠⁠⁠⁠ Approved of the mob saying “hang Mike Pence”. Source
4. ⁠⁠⁠⁠ Was found liable for sexual assault.Source
5. ⁠⁠⁠⁠ Was found guilty of defrauding his university students. Source
6. ⁠⁠⁠⁠ Was found guilty of inflating his assets to get favorable loans.Source
7. ⁠⁠⁠⁠ Admitted to walking in on pageant contestants’ dressing rooms.Source
8. ⁠⁠⁠⁠ Allegedly Raped and beat Ivana Trump. Source
9. ⁠⁠ Stole from a kids’ cancer charity. Source
10. Received $413 million inheritance despite claims that he’s a self made man. Source
11. Blocked his chronically ill infant nephew from getting any of that inheritance. Source
12. Is the first president to receive votes against him from his own party during impeachment. Source
13. Led us into being one of the worst hit during Covid despite our head start and resources, leading to high inflation. Source
14. Said the Democrats do better with the economy.Source
15. Was ranked as the worst president in history by bipartisan presidential historians.Source
16. Pushed a plot to have fake votes created and then used to make him President despite losing the election.Source
17. Ordered republicans to block a bipartisan immigration billso Biden would not get a win before the election.Source
18. Is a convicted felon guilty of falsifying records to influence an election.Source
19. Told the Department of Justice to “just say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the Republican congressmen.”Source
20. His VP, Mike Pence said Trump should never be president again, and that Trump asked him to put himself “above the Constitution”. Source
21. Got Fox News successfully sued for repeating/pushing his administrations election lies $787M Source
22. Said he’d be a dictator for one day Source

Also, just regarding some of the Trump administration that have been convicted of crimes:

Donald Trump was charged, convicted, and is awaiting sentencing.

Trump’s former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, was charged, convicted, and sentenced to prison.

Trump’s former campaign vice chairman, Rick Gates, was charged, convicted, and sentenced to prison.

Trump’s former personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, was charged, convicted, and sentenced to prison.

Trump’s former adviser and former campaign aide, Roger Stone, was charged, convicted, and sentenced to prison.

Trump’s former adviser and former White House aide Peter Navarro, was charged, convicted, and is currently in prison.

Trump’s former campaign adviser, George Papadopoulos, was charged, convicted, and sentenced to prison. The Trump Organization’s former CFO, Allen Weisselberg, was charged, convicted, and sentenced to prison.

Trump’s former White House national security advisor, Michael Flynn, was charged and convicted.

Trump’s former chief strategist, Steve Bannon, was charged with wire fraud and money laundering, in addition to a conviction in a contempt case similar to Navarro’s. He’s currently awaiting sentencing.

Though he was later acquitted at trial, Trump’s former inaugural committee chair, Tom Barrack, was charged with illegally lobbying Trump on behalf of a foreign government. (Elliot Broidy was the vice chair of Trump’s inaugural committee, and he found himself at the center of multiple controversies, and also pled guilty to federal charges related to illegal lobbying.)

Two lawyers associated with Trump’s post-defeat efforts, Kenneth Chesebro and Sidney Powell, have pleaded guilty to election-related crimes.

Source



For anybody who needs this.

Yeah but some internet randoms on GOT can't think of a job they'd give Harris in a hypothetical generic company, and as Trump OWNS companies then that's checkmate libs!

 

[COYBL25]

Top reasons why Trump should not be president.

1. ⁠⁠⁠⁠ Lost the election and lied about it.Source
2. ⁠⁠⁠⁠ Sent an armed angry mob to Congress and told them they need to fight like hell. Source
3. ⁠⁠⁠⁠ Approved of the mob saying “hang Mike Pence”. Source
4. ⁠⁠⁠⁠ Was found liable for sexual assault.Source
5. ⁠⁠⁠⁠ Was found guilty of defrauding his university students. Source
6. ⁠⁠⁠⁠ Was found guilty of inflating his assets to get favorable loans.Source
7. ⁠⁠⁠⁠ Admitted to walking in on pageant contestants’ dressing rooms.Source
8. ⁠⁠⁠⁠ Allegedly Raped and beat Ivana Trump. Source
9. ⁠⁠ Stole from a kids’ cancer charity. Source
10. Received $413 million inheritance despite claims that he’s a self made man. Source
11. Blocked his chronically ill infant nephew from getting any of that inheritance. Source
12. Is the first president to receive votes against him from his own party during impeachment. Source
13. Led us into being one of the worst hit during Covid despite our head start and resources, leading to high inflation. Source
14. Said the Democrats do better with the economy.Source
15. Was ranked as the worst president in history by bipartisan presidential historians.Source
16. Pushed a plot to have fake votes created and then used to make him President despite losing the election.Source
17. Ordered republicans to block a bipartisan immigration billso Biden would not get a win before the election.Source
18. Is a convicted felon guilty of falsifying records to influence an election.Source
19. Told the Department of Justice to “just say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the Republican congressmen.”Source
20. His VP, Mike Pence said Trump should never be president again, and that Trump asked him to put himself “above the Constitution”. Source
21. Got Fox News successfully sued for repeating/pushing his administrations election lies $787M Source
22. Said he’d be a dictator for one day Source

Also, just regarding some of the Trump administration that have been convicted of crimes:

Donald Trump was charged, convicted, and is awaiting sentencing.

Trump’s former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, was charged, convicted, and sentenced to prison.

Trump’s former campaign vice chairman, Rick Gates, was charged, convicted, and sentenced to prison.

Trump’s former personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, was charged, convicted, and sentenced to prison.

Trump’s former adviser and former campaign aide, Roger Stone, was charged, convicted, and sentenced to prison.

Trump’s former adviser and former White House aide Peter Navarro, was charged, convicted, and is currently in prison.

Trump’s former campaign adviser, George Papadopoulos, was charged, convicted, and sentenced to prison. The Trump Organization’s former CFO, Allen Weisselberg, was charged, convicted, and sentenced to prison.

Trump’s former White House national security advisor, Michael Flynn, was charged and convicted.

Trump’s former chief strategist, Steve Bannon, was charged with wire fraud and money laundering, in addition to a conviction in a contempt case similar to Navarro’s. He’s currently awaiting sentencing.

Though he was later acquitted at trial, Trump’s former inaugural committee chair, Tom Barrack, was charged with illegally lobbying Trump on behalf of a foreign government. (Elliot Broidy was the vice chair of Trump’s inaugural committee, and he found himself at the center of multiple controversies, and also pled guilty to federal charges related to illegal lobbying.)

Two lawyers associated with Trump’s post-defeat efforts, Kenneth Chesebro and Sidney Powell, have pleaded guilty to election-related crimes.

Source



For anybody who needs this.

@Zatara @dylsexicbleu @goog

Your thoughts sirs ?

 

[carolinablue232]

If you could point me to an actual report from the Committee, I'd like to see it. All I can quickly find is testimony to the committee from FAIR that estimates $150B in expenses from federal, state, and local governments. That estimate is reached, in part, due to an estimate of population that is 25-30% above the most commonly accepted figures.

It's worth mentioning FAIR was established by a white nationalist and anti-immigration activist and is classified as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

I’ll have to look for the more recent report, but here’s one that I read earlier this year.

https://budget.house.gov/imo/media/doc/the_cost_of_illegal_immigration_to_taxpayers.pdf

I’ll also point out that this started from a reaction to a post that all republicans care about was “owning the libs.” My contention is that most don’t give a crap about that nonsense. They care more about their living situation, and government spending and cost should be rightfully scrutinized when evaluating domestic issues, some of which have worsened in recent years.

I’m in no way suggesting anyone should support Trumps policies on immigration. I am suggesting that Biden and Harris aren’t impervious to criticism on this and other topics just because the other guy is worse.

 

[Tommy Chong]

@Zatara @dylsexicbleu @goog

Your thoughts sirs ?

Probably:

And then carry on as is...

You know how it goes when Trump supporters are presented with logic and hard facts..

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

I’ll have to look for the more recent report, but here’s one that I read earlier this year.

https://budget.house.gov/imo/media/doc/the_cost_of_illegal_immigration_to_taxpayers.pdf

I’ll also point out that this started from a reaction to a post that all republicans care about was “owning the libs.” My contention is that most don’t give a crap about that nonsense. They care more about their living situation, and government spending and cost should be rightfully scrutinized when evaluating domestic issues, some of which have worsened in recent years.

I’m in no way suggesting anyone should support Trumps policies on immigration. I am suggesting that Biden and Harris aren’t impervious to criticism on this and other topics just because the other guy is worse.

We can agree to disagree on this based on my readings coupled with every day interactions with people, including my family. Now the rich white people at my country club - that's another matter entirely. Sure, they're just here for the taxes and deregulation. They own that, and don't care about what it does to anyone else. In the words of Walter Sobchak, at least that's an ethos.

But the middle class and down? They give lip service to caring about "the economy" and other domestic issues, but when presented with facts, they come back with the same old if it's a Democratic policy is terrible, whatever is a Republican policy is the best thing ever.

A good example of this is the ACA is great when presented that way. But when it's Obamacare it's terrible. Socialism is bad, but only when it's not going to rural white people. They "care more about their living situation", but are adamantly against things that would improve their living situation. Better to just complain about the Libs and clutch pearls over who goes into what bathroom.

I'm done with it

 

[Ruairi77]

I’ll have to look for the more recent report, but here’s one that I read earlier this year.

https://budget.house.gov/imo/media/doc/the_cost_of_illegal_immigration_to_taxpayers.pdf

I’ll also point out that this started from a reaction to a post that all republicans care about was “owning the libs.” My contention is that most don’t give a crap about that nonsense. They care more about their living situation, and government spending and cost should be rightfully scrutinized when evaluating domestic issues, some of which have worsened in recent years.

I’m in no way suggesting anyone should support Trumps policies on immigration. I am suggesting that Biden and Harris aren’t impervious to criticism on this and other topics just because the other guy is worse.

yeah, I get that.
My post wasn't having a pop at you.
I have respect for any moderate who can see through Trumps BS.
I just tire of the 'both sides' stuff. And I know you can see that Trump is way off the spectrum when it comes to this.
But congress came up with the border solution. And to reach a bipartisan compromise like that takes time.
All Biden can do is say "get the right bill to my desk and I'll sign it".
He waited and when it collapsed thanks to Trump, he issued executive orders.
Yes it came in an election year but that actually feels like fairly normal politics (with the exception of Trump).
For me, it's very important that moderates see this and avoid all the noise created by the right.

I thought your point about cities getting cleaned up for a few weeks while dignitaries come to town was interesting, that's a definite 'both sides' one!

 

[Ruairi77]

We can agree to disagree on this based on my readings coupled with every day interactions with people, including my family. Now the rich white people at my country club - that's another matter entirely. Sure, they're just here for the taxes and deregulation. They own that, and don't care about what it does to anyone else. In the words of Walter Sobchak, at least that's an ethos.

But the middle class and down? They give lip service to caring about "the economy" and other domestic issues, but when presented with facts, they come back with the same old if it's a Democratic policy is terrible, whatever is a Republican policy is the best thing ever.

A good example of this is the ACA is great when presented that way. But when it's Obamacare it's terrible. Socialism is bad, but only when it's not going to rural white people. They "care more about their living situation", but are adamantly against things that would improve their living situation. Better to just complain about the Libs and clutch pearls over who goes into what bathroom.

I'm done with it

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

yeah, I get that.
My post wasn't having a pop at you.
I have respect for any moderate who can see through Trumps BS.
I just tire of the 'both sides' stuff. And I know you can see that Trump is way off the spectrum when it comes to this.
But congress came up with the border solution. And to reach a bipartisan compromise like that takes time.
All Biden can do is say "get the right bill to my desk and I'll sign it".
He waited and when it collapsed thanks to Trump, he issued executive orders.
Yes it came in an election year but that actually feels like fairly normal politics (with the exception of Trump).
For me, it's very important that moderates see this and avoid all the noise created by the right.

I thought your point about cities getting cleaned up for a few weeks while dignitaries come to town was interesting, that's a definite 'both sides' one!

Yeah, it's exactly this for me.

The Dems aren't perfect. And yes they play politics - but they are playing politics in the pre-Trump era. An era where at least both sides at least agreed on a framework of what everyone accepts to be true, and work in good faith to get stuff done.

Today? The Republicans don't do anything in good faith.

I want to get back to debating policy.

Today, we can't even agree that Jan 6 was a coup attempt.

Miles of difference between the parties

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Here's a couple of 'illegals' from Africa.

He did not like that!

 

[Jcr1878]

Talking about Musk, his America PAC is now paying $47 per referred voter to register for Republicans in swing states I believe, seems quite manipulative but I imagine that's gonna have a massive impact on the election.

 

[emir]

Christopher Bouzy basically nailed the 2020 Election and the 2022 midterms. This is his current view based on early voter data in Pennsylvania. He also thinks there is a chance Florida will flip. Let’s see but he’s been pretty spot on in the past. Hope he’s correct.

Christopher Bouzy on Spoutible

Now that we have early vote data, we can better understand what is happening on the ground in PA. In my opinion, early vote data is more reliable than polls. I successfully used ea

spoutible.com

So because he nailed both 2020 election and 2022 midterms he is now a guru?

Using early voting records to analyze doesn't ever work and clearly this guy isn't aware of it. Democrats disproportionately always favor early mail-in voting whilst Republicans more likely to vote on the day. In fact, Biden led by a margin of 9-1 in most states when it came to absentee ballots in 2020 so this year, the enthusiasm is much lower for Kamala.

Trump is currently leading on Polymarket by a margin of 6% for winning Pennsylvania. He is ahead in most of the recent polls in Pennsylvania. He is currently tied on the RCP average, keeping in mind Trump always get underestimated. Trump has gained support amongst latinos, muslims, jews, african-american men whilst strengthening his support with the white working class voters. This clown you quoted also happened to say the growing African-American electorate in PA but failed to mention that Trump's support with the African-American male community is through the roof.

One of the biggest Philly newspapers literally said Trump is gaining loads of voters with the working class voters in Philadelphia:

In deep-blue Philly, working class voters are shifting toward Republicans

The trend could be a problem for Kamala Harris in Pennsylvania, where Joe Biden beat Donald Trump in 2020 by just 80,000 votes.

www.inquirer.com

So how does Kamala exactly win PA?

The fact that he thinks Florida can flip, means he is not to be taken seriously. There's more of a chance New Mexico flipping for Trump than Florida going for Kamala.