Current Affairs 2024 POTUS race

[davek]

The people who currently say they are RFK voters are a pretty diverse lot tbh.

You have those that like his environmental stuff - they will probably split to the Greens or possibly Harris
There are the anti vax - they will likely go for Trump
There are those that really want a 3rd party - they could well feel screwed over by RFK and just not vote



And there could be a counter swing by undecideds

I can see the reasons why plenty of RFKs supporters wont go with Trump. The majority probably wont.

But as most people think - the swing states (most of them still well within the margin of error in the various polls) can be won or lost by hundreds of votes.

I know the Democrats are looking to keep everything positive and the momentum up, but there's no sense in being a bit Pollyanna about a potential threat. The dismissal of the danger of Kennedy endorsing Trump seems a bit "la-la-la-la-la, not listening, la la la la" about it.

 

[Prevenger17]

I can see the reasons why plenty of RFKs supporters wont go with Trump. The majority probably wont.

But as most people think - the swing states (most of them still well within the margin of error in the various polls) can be won or lost by hundreds of votes.

I know the Democrats are looking to keep everything positive and the momentum up, but there's no sense in being a bit Pollyanna about a potential threat. The dismissal of the danger of Kennedy endorsing Trump seems a bit "la-la-la-la-la, not listening, la la la la" about it.

Kennedy was never going to go the distance. Kennedy was never going to endorse Kamala. There is no use worrying about it

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

Vance is an Evertonian?

They are such miserable, sad people

 

[LinekersLegs]

And of course the social media right wing branch are making fun of him.
Same group that were outraged when folks called Barron a string bean

Ann Coulter has deleted her vile post and lots of others have got strong bipartisan pushback thankfully.

But the ugliness on display might stick in some voters minds when they fill in their ballots.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

I think this was one of the large negatives against Shapiro when he was in the running for VP.

You want the campaign and the party in a crucial swing state to be united - not sniping at each other (see Trump and Georgia)

To be fair, Fetterman is the antithesis of a politician. He's a complete wild card on that front. It's part of the package you get with him.

But he's progressive on a plethora of issues and plays well with non-elites the way that Walz does.

It just is what it is

 

[RAFUH]

WTAF

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

How many times will Walz use the word 'weird'?

He's a bit weird himself IMO.

Walz is weird and embraces it. Which is kind of the definition of "weird in a good way". Someone comfortable in his own skin.

Vance and the GOP are weird, but totally think they aren't weird. And they continue to say the weirdest things every day. This is classic "weird in a bad way." They are so weird and have no idea - they think they are normal. But they are insecure, small human beings.

 

[RAFUH]

Ann Coulter has deleted her vile post and lots of others have got strong bipartisan pushback thankfully.

But the ugliness on display might stick in some voters minds when they fill in their ballots.

 

[LinekersLegs]

I can see the reasons why plenty of RFKs supporters wont go with Trump. The majority probably wont.

But as most people think - the swing states (most of them still well within the margin of error in the various polls) can be won or lost by hundreds of votes.

I know the Democrats are looking to keep everything positive and the momentum up, but there's no sense in being a bit Pollyanna about a potential threat. The dismissal of the danger of Kennedy endorsing Trump seems a bit "la-la-la-la-la, not listening, la la la la" about it.

The swing states will likely be very close and yes RFK could make a difference. I don’t think I’m being Pollyanna about it, it just isn’t that certain at the moment which way and how many of his voters will jump (if they vote at all, many didn’t in 2020).

But they are such a diverse group I’m not sure how you develop a message to reduce the numbers that switch to Trump. The most likely sub group, anti vax, is not a group Dems are ever going to appeal to and nor should they.

You are the one who has recommended people abstain from voting Harris so I’m not sure why you are bothered? Are we being too happy for you mate?!

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

I can see the reasons why plenty of RFKs supporters wont go with Trump. The majority probably wont.

But as most people think - the swing states (most of them still well within the margin of error in the various polls) can be won or lost by hundreds of votes.

I know the Democrats are looking to keep everything positive and the momentum up, but there's no sense in being a bit Pollyanna about a potential threat. The dismissal of the danger of Kennedy endorsing Trump seems a bit "la-la-la-la-la, not listening, la la la la" about it.

Here's the thing about Kennedy supporters.

They are all over the map. And they are Kennedy supporters pretty much because of the fact they don't want to listen to reason, logic or who endorses who. They're supporting him specifically because he's neither a Republican or Democrat.

I think who RFK Jr endorses will have a minimal effect on who an RFK Jr supporter ultimately votes for. And I think many of them won't vote.

 

[LinekersLegs]

WTAF

The “law and order” party folks.

 

[davek]

Kennedy was never going to go the distance. Kennedy was never going to endorse Kamala. There is no use worrying about it

I'm not worrying.

I'm just saying it cant be dismissed as having no (or not much) effect on the race for the WH.

 

[davek]

The swing states will likely be very close and yes RFK could make a difference. I don’t think I’m being Pollyanna about it, it just isn’t that certain at the moment which way and how many of his voters will jump (if they vote at all, many didn’t in 2020).

But they are such a diverse group I’m not sure how you develop a message to reduce the numbers that switch to Trump. The most likely sub group, anti vax, is not a group Dems are ever going to appeal to and nor should they.

You are the one who has recommended people abstain from voting Harris so I’m not sure why you are bothered? Are we being too happy for you mate?!

As said above Ilm not bothered beyond it being perplexing why it's simply back-heeled as a possible impact on the race.

Here's the thing about Kennedy supporters.

They are all over the map. And they are Kennedy supporters pretty much because of the fact they don't want to listen to reason, logic or who endorses who. They're supporting him specifically because he's neither a Republican or Democrat.

I think who RFK Jr endorses will have a minimal effect on who an RFK Jr supporter ultimately votes for. And I think many of them won't vote.

Yes, I get that and I've allowed for it.

 

[Damo_1878]

The “law and order” party folks.

Two convicted felons organising it as well.

 

[LinekersLegs]

As said above Ilm not bothered beyond it being perplexing why it's simply back-heeled as a possible impact on the race.


Yes, I get that and I've allowed for it.

I’d disagree, think RFK is getting a disproportionate amount of coverage relative to the likely impact on the race. Dems overall tend to be worriers.

If we are talking about possible impacts on the race a far larger one will be weather in the states on voting day - partisans will crawl over broken glass to vote but the marginal voter won’t.

And there is not much you can do about it other than try to get stress early voting for the states that allow it.