Current Affairs 2024 POTUS race

[RAFUH]

TBF it would be almost impossible to find someone who could honestly express what is happening in Gaza and the West Bank and not excoriate US government policy now and for decades prior.

It's a delicate balance for Harris.
She is currently VP and has obvious respect for Biden. She can't really criticize current policy and anything she says (or allows to be said at DNC) will be taken as a rebuke of Biden.

She does need to find a way to balance it though.

 

[RAFUH]

Someone was cutting onions nearby when I saw this…

And of course the social media right wing branch are making fun of him.
Same group that were outraged when folks called Barron a string bean

 

[NeilMorepies]

 

[RAFUH]

Maybe it's because we just saw the Obama's and even Clinton's, but Pete is a MUCH better debater than orator.

 

[SerenityNigh]

Showing up to the opposing party’s convention in disguise. Totally normal and not remotely weird behavior.

Not to overuse this word, but these people are really "weird."

 

[SerenityNigh]

Anti-vax RFK might become Health Secretary for the US under a Trump administration.

RFK Jr. as Trump’s health secretary? Here’s what he wants to do

Robert F. Kennedy Jr., an anti-vaccine activist, appears to be angling for a Cabinet role. He has advocated dismantling core functions of federal health agencies.

www.nbcnews.com

The American dream that the far right is preaching is economic libertarianism and social paternalism with the flag woven into the Bible and the Bible woven into the flag until both are meaningless; the end result would be a ruling class that looks an awful lot like the bourgeoisie that I'm told the dems are supposed to be.

 

[SerenityNigh]

Also this:

 

[RAFUH]

 

[dublinbluenose]

You wonder what that does to the polling in swings states though.

Those states could be won with hundreds of votes. If even a fraction of RFKs support in those states flips to Trump on endorsement then that's a big deal for Harris.

As of last week:

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It'll be pretty negligible.

Kennedy's numbers are more or less within the margin of error. He is more popular with Republicans than Democrats, hence why Trump camp wants him out of the race. If likely Kennedy voters have to vote Trump or Harris then yeah the split will likely favour Trump but in tiny numbers.

West is more of a problem for Harris as he is popular with young and Black voters, again not in massive numbers but not insignificant where he can get on the ballot - this is why Trump campaign legal team have been helping him.

Kennedy was thought to be attractive to 2020 Biden voters who didn't want to vote Biden this election and they've come back to the Democrats already according to some polls along with some independents.

All in all there's not a lot of voters to share around who are currently Kennedy voters.

NBC have a piece on this very subject:

How RFK Jr.'s exit would help Trump, according to the polls

Surveys show that most of Trump's third-party defectors have been picking Robert F. Kennedy Jr. on test ballots with more choices.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Damo_1878]

Maybe it's because we just saw the Obama's and even Clinton's, but Pete is a MUCH better debater than orator.

He's earned big plus points for going onto Fox and simply telling it as it is, to them on there.

 

[davek]

It'll be pretty negligible.

Kennedy's numbers are more or less within the margin of error. He is more popular with Republicans than Democrats, hence why Trump camp wants him out of the race. If likely Kennedy voters have to vote Trump or Harris then yeah the split will likely favour Trump but in tiny numbers.

West is more of a problem for Harris as he is popular with young and Black voters, again not in massive numbers but not insignificant where he can get on the ballot - this is why Trump campaign legal team have been helping him.

Kennedy was thought to be attractive to 2020 Biden voters who didn't want to vote Biden this election and they've come back to the Democrats already according to some polls along with some independents.

All in all there's not a lot of voters to share around who are currently Kennedy voters.

NBC have a piece on this very subject:

How RFK Jr.'s exit would help Trump, according to the polls

Surveys show that most of Trump's third-party defectors have been picking Robert F. Kennedy Jr. on test ballots with more choices.

www.nbcnews.com

I'm not sure I follow the logic there.

I get it that many disgruntled with Trump turned to RFK in the first place, but if RFK was persuasive in his endorsement it might surely bring more than a 'tiny' amount of former Trump supporters back into the fold?

There's no sense in minmizing this threat to Harris like it can be wished away. Best take this head on and acknowledge it.

I think this + the economic slowdown spells danger for Harris.

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[LinekersLegs]

I'm not sure I follow the logic there.

I get it that many disgruntled with Trump turned to RFK in the first place, but if RFK was persuasive in his endorsement it might surely bring more than a 'tiny' amount of former Trump supporters back into the fold?

There's no sense in minmizing this threat to Harris like it can be wished away. Best take this head on and acknowledge it.

I think this + the economic slowdown spells danger for Harris.

The people who currently say they are RFK voters are a pretty diverse lot tbh.

You have those that like his environmental stuff - they will probably split to the Greens or possibly Harris
There are the anti vax - they will likely go for Trump
There are those that really want a 3rd party - they could well feel screwed over by RFK and just not vote



And there could be a counter swing by undecideds

 

[tsubaki]

The people who currently say they are RFK voters are a pretty diverse lot tbh.

You have those that like his environmental stuff - they will probably split to the Greens or possibly Harris
There are the anti vax - they will likely go for Trump
There are those that really want a 3rd party - they could well feel screwed over by RFK and just not vote



And there could be a counter swing by undecideds

"Can you bear another four years of Trump? Can your bear?"

 

[Xizor]

Trump was heckled at the Libertarian convention earlier in the year. I think his role in Covid lockdowns and vaccines etc might end up being long remembered by a chunk of that little lot.

I know RFK isn't the official Libertarian candidate but I suspect some segments of his voting bloc swim in the same pools (ones without lifeguards, naturally).