Current Affairs 2024 POTUS race

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You'll have to tell me which you were citing.



Trump's leading in the polling (which suits your position at the moment) and the conviction helps him (yes, your opinion) but short-term polling is worthless (see previous paragraph) - whaa?

The conviction has hurt, not helped. Simple as.

Here's today's shaping of the narrative, like very few politicians can:

Trump: "Now they'll say all these stories are terrible. Well, these stories have, you know, you heard my story in the boat with the shark, right? I got killed on that. They thought I was rambling. I'm not rambling. We can't get the boat to float. The battery is so heavy. So then I start talking about asking questions. You know, I have an, I had an uncle who was a great professor at MIT for many years, long, I think the longest tenure ever. Very smart, had three different degrees and you know, so I have an aptitude for things. You know, there is such a thing as an aptitude. I said, well, what would happen if this boat is so heavy and started to sink and you're on the top of the boat. Do you get electrocuted or not? In other words, the boat is going down and you're on the top, will the electric currents flow through the water and wipe you out? And let's say there's a shark about 10 yards over there. Would I have to immediately abandon or could I ride the electric down and he said, sir, nobody's ever asked us that question. But sir, I don't know. I said, well, I want to know because I guarantee you one thing, I don't care what happens. I'm staying with the electric, I'm not getting over with it. So I tell that story. And the fake news they go, he told this crazy story with electric. It's actually not crazy. It's sort of a smart story, right? Sort of like, you know, it's like the snake, it's a smart when you, you figure what you're leaving in, right? You're bringing it in the, you know, the snake, right? The snake and the snake. I tell that and they do the same thing."
The conviction helps Trump in terms of further motivating his base. I think it will also help him with independents. Younger blacks also appear to be flocking to him. So, it's not 'simple as' that the conviction has hurt him. The conviction has also been the best fundraiser Trump's campaign could have wished for. He raised record amounts as a consequence of the verdict against him.

Saying Trump is leading in the polls is not contradictory with saying I take polling with a pinch of salt. A batch of polls over 3 to 6 months has more value than a single poll, or indeed a week's worth of polls.
 
The conviction helps Trump in terms of further motivating his base. I think it will also help him with independents. Younger blacks also appear to be flocking to him. So, it's not 'simple as' that the conviction has hurt him. The conviction has also been the best fundraiser Trump's campaign could have wished for. He raised record amounts as a consequence of the verdict against him.

Saying Trump is leading in the polls is not contradictory with saying I take polling with a pinch of salt. A batch of polls over 3 to 6 months has more value than a single poll, or indeed a week's worth of polls.
The specific question asked in the poll is contradictory to your opinion about independents. Citing polling to make a point and then quickly dismissing the value of polling is... something.
 
It is a common right-wing trope to say that the George Floyd protests resulted in deaths/injuries "stoked by Dems" but of course there isn't any evidence to back this up. A total of 25 people died in direct relation to the protests, and many of these deaths were police shooting protesters who possessed guns, or protesters being shot by business owners or other private citizens (including the baby-faced darling of the right, Kyle Rittenhouse). The other issue was the well-documented infiltration of peaceful protests by right-wing groups, and that most arrested are not antifa or leftist radicals.

But all this false smokescreen overlooks the fact that any protest can possibly result in violence, even death. But only one protest in the last 100 years or so was a coordinated effort to dismantle the very system--Democracy--that gives citizens the right to protest injustices like George Floyd experienced. And that was the right-wing supported January 6th insurrection.

More generally, I love how DERP STATE tries to pretend he is engaging in some sort of equal-minded dialogue here with others, but of course his claims are all easily-dismissed nonsense...and then every so often his mask slips a little further and he makes an extremely racist or misogynist post, revealing the unvarnished xenophobic misogynistic mindset underneath.
 
The conviction helps Trump in terms of further motivating his base. I think it will also help him with independents. Younger blacks also appear to be flocking to him. So, it's not 'simple as' that the conviction has hurt him. The conviction has also been the best fundraiser Trump's campaign could have wished for. He raised record amounts as a consequence of the verdict against him.

Saying Trump is leading in the polls is not contradictory with saying I take polling with a pinch of salt. A batch of polls over 3 to 6 months has more value than a single poll, or indeed a week's worth of polls.
That’s a fascinating post, but personally I’d like to hear your opinion on a more important issue; did Jesus exist at the same time as triceratops?
 
The specific question asked in the poll is contradictory to your opinion about independents. Citing polling to make a point and then quickly dismissing the value of polling is... something.
Firstly, it's a single poll. Single polls are virtually useless as a measure of opinion. Secondly, not all independents are truly independent. Many independents invariably lean towards one party or the other for most of their voting career. It's my contention that these 'independents' saying they are less likely to vote for Trump due to his conviction are, in fact, Independents who usually lean Dem.

Polls are only as good as those conducting them. Some are accurate, many are far from accurate. The polling industry themselves admit they have issues over accuracy. I am not saying anything outlandish here.
 
Firstly, it's a single poll. Single polls are virtually useless as a measure of opinion. Secondly, not all independents are truly independent. Many independents invariably lean towards one party or the other for most of their voting career. It's my contention that these 'independents' saying they are less likely to vote for Trump due to his conviction are, in fact, Independents who usually lean Dem.

Polls are only as good as those conducting them. Some are accurate, many are far from accurate. The polling industry themselves admit they have issues over accuracy. I am not saying anything outlandish here.
I’d argue the exact opposite. I’d say the independents who lean blue have long since seen enough of Trump, but it’s the independents who lean red that may be pushed in the other direction now that they’d be voting for a felon.
 
I know Biden is ahead in some of the recently conducted national polls, but those battle-ground states (the only one's that matter) are stubbornly handing Trump a 3%-5% lead, conviction of no conviction.

The Democrats have a couple of months to place pressure on Biden to stand down before the national convention.
 
I know Biden is ahead in some of the recently conducted national polls, but those battle-ground states (the only one's that matter) are stubbornly handing Trump a 3%-5% lead, conviction of no conviction.

The Democrats have a couple of months to place pressure on Biden to stand down before the national convention.

What are you having for tea Dave?
 
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