Current Affairs 2024 POTUS race
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dylsexicbleu
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Interesting, but take these things with a massive pinch of salt. We have a whole host of indies who say the conviction is not important. Add in indies who lean D and indies who lean R and I'm sure those who say they are less likely to vote for Trump are way over-represented by those Indies who usually lean D. True, true independents are rare as hen's teeth.
The more I think of it the more likely we have a very messy outcome to this election unless there is a super clear winner. Repubs are going to flood count centers with poll watchers. Challenges will take place all over the country. I think there is a strong chance of this election ending with Biden packing the Supreme Court.
dylsexicbleu
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I don't.
Will be interesting to see what O'Brien says at the RNC (and DNC). This might not bode well for Biden, but it's hard to tell.
www.theguardian.com
Trump announces Teamsters union chief to speak at Republican convention
Sean O’Brien accepts invitation as union says its message ‘needs to be heard by as wide an audience as possible’
Now we take polls on the matter with a pinch of salt. The day of the verdict, you had a bit of a different outlook:
Is this better or worse than an election ending with one side trying to overturn the results, and encouraging their supporters to do the same, resulting in anti-American protests and death?
I mean, that side has already stolen a seat and is promoting a Trump re-election as a means to adding more Federalist Society-approved jurists to the bench so the wealthy and Evangelical can re-fashion the culture back to the 19th Century.
dylsexicbleu
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Please, I remember Dems in 2016 onwards saying Russia stole the election for Trump. They just went about undermining the election a different way to the stupid J6'ers. For a country who fckin loves guns the lack of shots fired by J6'ers is telling. As far as deaths go I'm not about to be lectured by a Dem(or Dem sympathiser) on that subject. The number of deaths and life changing injuries stoked by Dems in the George Floyd riots far outweighs anything on J6.
I made no judgement in my original post on whether Biden packing SCOTUS was good or bad. Normally I'd say it would be a disaster to attempt it, but the sh.it could really hit the fan in the days and months after the election. When I say sh.it could really hit the fan I mean democratic institutions on the edge of crumbling. When that happens politicians often have leeway to take the nuclear option politically such a packing the court.
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Eh? What poll was I citing on my posted you quoted? I said Trump's odds had went up in wake of the guilty verdict. I don't believe I was actually citing any betting market or poll. From memory I think I was giving a personal opinion on Trump's chances in the election.
Do I take notice of polls? Yes, to an extent. Surely even you realise polls can be very wrong. It's best not to take polls too seriously. I remember Biden and Hillary heading Trump massively in the days leading up to the previous two elections. Some state polls in 2020 had Biden leading in swing states by double digits. Many of these same swing states turned out to be very, very close.
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Didn't that fool emir have some very similar tracking views re the George Floyd case?
So, ‘worse’, I think you’re saying?
It was hard to make out a clear answer in that word salad of obfuscation and whataboutery.
Inclined to agree. Think Johnny Heitinga is very underrated by everton fans but Moyes had his favourites and arsed him about playing him out of position too often.
Interesting you should mention that.
You'll have to tell me which you were citing.
Trump's leading in the polling (which suits your position at the moment) and the conviction helps him (yes, your opinion) but short-term polling is worthless (see previous paragraph) - whaa?
The conviction has hurt, not helped. Simple as.
Here's today's shaping of the narrative, like very few politicians can:
Trump: "Now they'll say all these stories are terrible. Well, these stories have, you know, you heard my story in the boat with the shark, right? I got killed on that. They thought I was rambling. I'm not rambling. We can't get the boat to float. The battery is so heavy. So then I start talking about asking questions. You know, I have an, I had an uncle who was a great professor at MIT for many years, long, I think the longest tenure ever. Very smart, had three different degrees and you know, so I have an aptitude for things. You know, there is such a thing as an aptitude. I said, well, what would happen if this boat is so heavy and started to sink and you're on the top of the boat. Do you get electrocuted or not? In other words, the boat is going down and you're on the top, will the electric currents flow through the water and wipe you out? And let's say there's a shark about 10 yards over there. Would I have to immediately abandon or could I ride the electric down and he said, sir, nobody's ever asked us that question. But sir, I don't know. I said, well, I want to know because I guarantee you one thing, I don't care what happens. I'm staying with the electric, I'm not getting over with it. So I tell that story. And the fake news they go, he told this crazy story with electric. It's actually not crazy. It's sort of a smart story, right? Sort of like, you know, it's like the snake, it's a smart when you, you figure what you're leaving in, right? You're bringing it in the, you know, the snake, right? The snake and the snake. I tell that and they do the same thing."
Think it was Toffee Loaf, but either way it was just racism and misinformation chalked up as "evidence" to engage in whataboutery.
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