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Can't argue with your take on the 2016 dynamics, but I'm not sure how relevant that still is in 2020. The Clinton campaign was formidable in terms of funding, staff, resources, data, whereas the Sanders team essentially invented the campaign on the fly in 2016. They did not have the expertise or resources to take the South seriously, and it cost them the race.

But they are a far more professional organisation now, and they have been working non-stop for the past three years to build networks with minority voters. They also go much further than anyone else on issues that really matter to these communities, like criminal justice reform: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...iminal-justice-reform-plan-mass-incarceration (cf. Harris!)

And so far, it is paying off. Sanders is the leading candidate among Latino voters, and second only to Biden among African-Americans (and I suspect Biden's lead here is very flimsy, like Clinton before Iowa in 2008). He is leading Harris 2-1 with Black voters. And he actually polls better among Black and Latino voters than he does among White voters (which your Politico chart also confirms): https://www.vox.com/2019/3/7/18216899/bernie-sanders-bro-base-polling-2020-president

Again, all of this is very fluid and not definitive proof of anything, but at the very least, recurring headlines like this are just wrong (at least in Sanders' case):
Sanders, Warren struggling to win support of black voters

Why don't more people know this? I have my theories... ; ) But suffice it to say that if, for instance, Buttigieg was leading with Latino voters, it is very hard to believe that this wouldn't have been much more aggressively brought to our attention.

Beyond that, Sanders has a huge, diverse, and very committed base, which is nationwide at level that so far only Warren can remotely match.

I am not sure if this has been posted here yet, but I think it matters far more than polls at this stage, because it measures the breadth and intensity of core support in a way that polls can't really depict: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/02/us/politics/2020-democratic-fundraising.html
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Some candidates have clear regional bases, tapping into the donor networks that got them where they are now, but even in each of these cities or states, Sanders is almost invariably second. Donor support for Harris and Buttigieg (essentially an aspiring errand boy for the tech industry: https://newrepublic.com/article/154438/big-tech-want-buttigieg) is extremely confined to wealthy enclaves in the Bay and the Bos-Wash corridor, especially the posh bits of Connecticut. Biden can count on Delaware, and a handful of majority-black cities (whose elders are expecting him to win, and expecting favours down the road for their patronage). Only Sanders and Warren have a meaningful nationwide donor support base (though for now his is clearly more impressive), and the relatively small donations they collect are also very significant - it means a lot more to someone on $10/hour to give $27 than it does for someone who earns $250,000 to give $2700. Forget where I read this, but I think he also has more volunteers in Iowa than the rest of the field combined.

All of this makes Sanders overwhelmingly and by far the best choice in a general election: well-organised and passionate nationwide support, and appeal to broad range of otherwise unrelated constituencies, including non-voters and even many Republicans. And it makes him the candidate with the best chance of achieving the kind of decisive victory needed to actually implement the type of reforms that he and Warren recognise are necessary.

But you're right, it means nothing if he doesn't first win the primary.

And because he has achieved all of this precisely by challenging everything the Democratic Party actually stands for (ie: a corporate/elite patronage network which mirrors the GOP in seeking to contain everyday voters' economic expectations via permanent culture war), party elders see his many strengths not as an opportunity but as a threat.
Where the dynamics of 2016 is still relevant to me is it creates reservations about Sanders forming a broad coalition that he could take into the general - I’d argue that the 2008 Clinton machine was at least as formidable as the 2016 one yet Obama managed to translate some of the same early wins as Sanders far more effectively than Bernie did.

There could be many reasons for that and I’m by no means ruling it out in 2020, just that I’m more in a “wait and see” mode, especially given that Biden is in my eyes a far weaker candidate than Clinton was at a similar stage and as you point out Sanders has far more experience/resources than he did in 2016.

The most obvious route to win back the presidency is through the Mid West which is probably Bernie’s strongest region - if in addition he could demonstrate in the primary robust Latino support that could turn some of the sun belt states like Arizona blue in the general whilst not turning off older suburban voters I’d gain more confidence in his nomination.

We shall see!
 
Can't argue with your take on the 2016 dynamics, but I'm not sure how relevant that still is in 2020. The Clinton campaign was formidable in terms of funding, staff, resources, data, whereas the Sanders team essentially invented the campaign on the fly in 2016. They did not have the expertise or resources to take the South seriously, and it cost them the race.

But they are a far more professional organisation now, and they have been working non-stop for the past three years to build networks with minority voters. They also go much further than anyone else on issues that really matter to these communities, like criminal justice reform: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...iminal-justice-reform-plan-mass-incarceration (cf. Harris!)

And so far, it is paying off. Sanders is the leading candidate among Latino voters, and second only to Biden among African-Americans (and I suspect Biden's lead here is very flimsy, like Clinton before Iowa in 2008). He is leading Harris 2-1 with Black voters. And he actually polls better among Black and Latino voters than he does among White voters (which your Politico chart also confirms): https://www.vox.com/2019/3/7/18216899/bernie-sanders-bro-base-polling-2020-president

Again, all of this is very fluid and not definitive proof of anything, but at the very least, recurring headlines like this are just wrong (at least in Sanders' case):
Sanders, Warren struggling to win support of black voters

Why don't more people know this? I have my theories... ; ) But suffice it to say that if, for instance, Buttigieg was leading with Latino voters, it is very hard to believe that this wouldn't have been much more aggressively brought to our attention.

Beyond that, Sanders has a huge, diverse, and very committed base, which is nationwide at level that so far only Warren can remotely match.

I am not sure if this has been posted here yet, but I think it matters far more than polls at this stage, because it measures the breadth and intensity of core support in a way that polls can't really depict: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/02/us/politics/2020-democratic-fundraising.html
donor-map-articleLarge.png


Some candidates have clear regional bases, tapping into the donor networks that got them where they are now, but even in each of these cities or states, Sanders is almost invariably second. Donor support for Harris and Buttigieg (essentially an aspiring errand boy for the tech industry: https://newrepublic.com/article/154438/big-tech-want-buttigieg) is extremely confined to wealthy enclaves in the Bay and the Bos-Wash corridor, especially the posh bits of Connecticut. Biden can count on Delaware, and a handful of majority-black cities (whose elders are expecting him to win, and expecting favours down the road for their patronage). Only Sanders and Warren have a meaningful nationwide donor support base (though for now his is clearly more impressive), and the relatively small donations they collect are also very significant - it means a lot more to someone on $10/hour to give $27 than it does for someone who earns $250,000 to give $2700. Forget where I read this, but I think he also has more volunteers in Iowa than the rest of the field combined.

All of this makes Sanders overwhelmingly and by far the best choice in a general election: well-organised and passionate nationwide support, and appeal to broad range of otherwise unrelated constituencies, including non-voters and even many Republicans. And it makes him the candidate with the best chance of achieving the kind of decisive victory needed to actually implement the type of reforms that he and Warren recognise are necessary.

But you're right, it means nothing if he doesn't first win the primary.

And because he has achieved all of this precisely by challenging everything the Democratic Party actually stands for (ie: a corporate/elite patronage network which mirrors the GOP in seeking to contain everyday voters' economic expectations via permanent culture war), party elders see his many strengths not as an opportunity but as a threat.
Abelard is that you?

Man your postings about sanders is awfully close to abelard. It's uncanny. Which is a compliment.

Great analysis by the way

On the New York time piece though I scanned through it and looked at the maps. Does it take into account people who donate to multiple candidates? Which is really common. Personally I dont get it but people I know do it and apparently it's common for citizens to donate to multiple. Generally a safe bet and an outsider they like.

In any case it would seem based on donations it should be between Sanders and Warren. Both of them have a good spread of folks.

Thing is I am pretty sure there are quite a lot of democrats out there that won't vote for sanders unless of course he is the remaining candidate.

So if it comes down to him and warren it will be interesting. I dont see biden in the final two
 
Something for each of Biden/Sanders/Warren camps to like in these YouGuv polls of early primary states. Would like to see some other polling firms do this same thing as YouGov does appear to have a slight house effect for Warren.

Not encouraging for the other candidates - the next debate might mean some of them have to swing for the fences in an attempt to catch up with the front 3.

The former vice president now clings to a narrow lead over Warren in our CBS News/YouGov Tracker estimate of convention delegates – the only count that ultimately matters – with an estimated 600 delegates of all delegates available through Super Tuesday, to Warren's 545. Warren has gained delegate share as supporters of other, lower-tier candidates have been switching their preferences toward her.

Bernie Sanders rounds out the top tier of candidates with 286 delegates in a race that has tightened substantially over the summer. Biden's position is helped by amassing enough delegates from South Carolina and other Southern states, as well as consistently strong showings elsewhere to keep him up in the overall delegate standings — albeit not by much.

State by state in vote preference, New Hampshire now sees Warren just slightly up over Biden and Sanders in first-choice preference there, effectively making the primary there a three-way contest. Biden holds onto a small edge over Sanders in first-choice preference in Iowa to go with that still-sizable advantage in South Carolina. Meanwhile, Sanders has a narrow edge over Biden in Nevada
 
Also from that YouGov poll is some discussion of age
Age of the candidates
The top three leaders would each be the oldest elected president in U.S. history, were they to assume the presidency. Most Democrats say age is not a concern for any of these candidates.

But relative to each other, there are some differences. A mere 5% of Democrats say Warren is too old; 37% think Bernie Sanders would be too old to serve effectively as president, while 31% say the same of Biden. And the relatively few who do say those candidates are too old aren't voting for them.

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Also from that YouGov poll is some discussion of age
Age of the candidates
The top three leaders would each be the oldest elected president in U.S. history, were they to assume the presidency. Most Democrats say age is not a concern for any of these candidates.

But relative to each other, there are some differences. A mere 5% of Democrats say Warren is too old; 37% think Bernie Sanders would be too old to serve effectively as president, while 31% say the same of Biden. And the relatively few who do say those candidates are too old aren't voting for them.

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Biden's showing signs of age. Can't even remember which president he served under "President...err....my boss..."

Whereas Bernie is bouncing all over like a teenager and right on message.

Biden has the same problem as Hilary Clinton. Every time he opens his mouth, he loses more voters.
 
Not wonderful news for Warren in her home stata

not really surprised by this.
Mass is not as progressive as some think (Romney/Baker/Brown).
There seems to be this BS attitude that we'll be the responsible moderates.
Also, there's definitely a feeling that as soon as Warren got to DC she forgot about Mass and switched her focus to national politics.
Throw in a healthy dose of newfound folksyism that none of us are used to and it's not hard to see why she's trailing Biden.
Mass will go what ever way the early primary states go. If Biden does well, she'll have her work cut out here.
 

Haha, I was about to post that.

Cramer's discombobulation is in line, I think, with the recent claim by all those CEOs from the Business Roundtable that shareholders' profits will no longer be the first and only priority for their companies, in that it seems to signal a growing concern among the monied/ruling class that their model of capitalism is on the verge of being slapped down.
 
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