Current Affairs 2020 Democratic Primary

[dholliday]

So none really?

well, you would say that lol

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

well, you would say that lol

A few positive comments on a podcast listened to by a (non representative) minute fraction of the population is... not evidence

 

[LinekersLegs]

If one of Biden, Warren or Sanders gets it they'll be going up against a fellow old person anyway in Trump.

Shame none of the middle-aged semi-favourites seem to be any good. Beto and Kamala are definite no-go's.




It's not much but it's something: the feedback from the Rogan podcast was overwhelmingly positive. Rogan's audience is very mixed, but a lot of conservative and alt-right types among them.

10 million views, 175,000 comments. A lot of people were pleasantly surprised at how reasonable and well-argued Bernie's ideas are when they were lead to believe (by rightwing media) that he was a crazy socialist.

Trump's hardcore base won't be enough to keep him in, he needs an opponent who moderate Republicans can't get on board with (like Warren).

I’m sorry mate but the # hits on a Josh Rogan podcast is a very thin reed of evidence!

 

[dholliday]

A few positive comments on a podcast listened to by a (non representative) minute fraction of the population is... not evidence

I’m sorry mate but the # hits on a Josh Rogan podcast is a very thin reed of evidence!

How is that any worse than a poll?

I believe online feedback to be a relatively reliable barometer of folk's thinking, as long as it's understood we're dealing with a rough snapshot. I wouldn't class mainstream polls as necessarily superior. Such polls have been very wrong in the recent past.

 

[LinekersLegs]

How is that any worse than a poll?

I believe online feedback to be a relatively reliable barometer of folk's thinking, as long as it's understood we're dealing with a rough snapshot. I wouldn't class mainstream polls as necessarily superior. Such polls have been very wrong in the recent past.

Because polls are based on likely or registered voters. You have no idea if the people who view a Rogan podcast are even eligible to vote in the US! Iirc online results also tend to skew younger, whiter, more male and richer than the electorate at large

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

How is that any worse than a poll?

I believe online feedback to be a relatively reliable barometer of folk's thinking, as long as it's understood we're dealing with a rough snapshot. I wouldn't class mainstream polls as necessarily superior. Such polls have been very wrong in the recent past.

Self-selected samples are just about the most inaccurate type of poll. Which is roughly what comments on a podcast would be as they are only drawing from the people who saw the podcast which will be a particular type of demographic.

 

[dholliday]

Because polls are based on likely or registered voters. You have no idea if the people who view a Rogan podcast are even eligible to vote in the US! Iirc online results also tend to skew younger, whiter, more males and richer than the electorate at large

likely is the key word here. it's a very relative one too.

regarding whiter/richer...who are darker/poorer folk more likely to favour? Warren, Biden or Sanders?

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

likely is the key word here. it's a very relative one too.

regarding whiter/richer...who are darker/poorer folk more likely to favour? Warren, Biden or Sanders?

I don’t know about richer/poorer, but Joe Biden is significantly the most popular candidate amongst African Americans

 

[sdk]

Because polls are based on likely or registered voters. You have no idea if the people who view a Rogan podcast are even eligible to vote in the US! Iirc online results also tend to skew younger, whiter, more male and richer than the electorate at large

And Joe Rogan fans skew extremely male, somewhat simple, and highly susceptible to nutritional supplement pitches.

The "Sanders would've beaten Trump" myth is apparently being retooled for 2020 but with a composite of Warren and Biden in the role of Hillary Clinton.

 

[dholliday]

@LinekersLegs @Ruairi77 @BirkenheadBlue

The importance of podcasts, and Rogan's the biggest, can't be underestimated. Note the feedback from the republican/libertarian/conservative end towards Sanders after the podcast from not just the comments, but analysts. Even Foxnews reported on it somewhere between neutrally and positively.

Podcasts and online feedback is a big deal for Presidential candidates. It's 2019...everyone is online now. After Sanders' appearance, the web exploded with analysis, from all ends of the spectrum. These are read widely. Here's some:

In crowded field, 2020 Democratic presidential hopefuls turn to podcasts - Roll Call

As he strove to boost recognition of his hard-to-pronounce name in the crowded field of 2020 Democratic presidential hopefuls, Pete Buttigieg appeared on at least 30 different podcasts. And more are planned for the future. “One thing that’s great about podcasts is that it allows for more...

www.rollcall.com

Bernie Sanders Campaigns on the Joe Rogan Experience

Bernie Sanders joined The Joe Rogan Experience podcast yesterday to discuss his candidacy and hot topics in today's policies.

thelibertarianrepublic.com

If You Think Bernie Shouldn't Have Gone on Joe Rogan, or Fox News, You're Leaving Fellow Americans for Dead | Common Dreams

Ultimately, this is about reach. Electoral College Mindset has led us to believe that there are certain demographics who are lost to us totally, but this is ridiculous

www.commondreams.org

When Bernie Sanders Did the Joe Rogan Show

Bernie Sanders’s viral appearance on the Joe Rogan Experience podcast — terra incognita for liberal politicians — showcased his unique ability to communicate left-wing values across the ideological divide.

jacobinmag.com

Andrew Yang: Podcasts Have Been Instrumental For My Campaign, "Bigger Than Cable News"

2020 presidential candidate Andrew Yang joined CNN's Brian Stelter on this week's "Reliable Sources" to talk about qualifying for the first Democratic debate, how he can boost his name recognition, and how appearances on podcasts like "The Joe Rogan Experience" helped boost his candidacy...

www.realclearpolitics.com

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

@LinekersLegs @Ruairi77 @BirkenheadBlue

The importance of podcasts, and Rogan's the biggest, can't be underestimated. Note the feedback from the republican/libertarian/conservative end towards Sanders after the podcast from not just the comments, but analysts. Even Foxnews reported on it somewhere between neutrally and positively.

Podcasts and online feedback is a big deal for Presidential candidates. It's 2019...everyone is online now. After Sanders' appearance, the web exploded with analysis, from all ends of the spectrum. These are read widely. Here's some:

In crowded field, 2020 Democratic presidential hopefuls turn to podcasts - Roll Call

As he strove to boost recognition of his hard-to-pronounce name in the crowded field of 2020 Democratic presidential hopefuls, Pete Buttigieg appeared on at least 30 different podcasts. And more are planned for the future. “One thing that’s great about podcasts is that it allows for more...

www.rollcall.com

Bernie Sanders Campaigns on the Joe Rogan Experience

Bernie Sanders joined The Joe Rogan Experience podcast yesterday to discuss his candidacy and hot topics in today's policies.

thelibertarianrepublic.com

If You Think Bernie Shouldn't Have Gone on Joe Rogan, or Fox News, You're Leaving Fellow Americans for Dead | Common Dreams

Ultimately, this is about reach. Electoral College Mindset has led us to believe that there are certain demographics who are lost to us totally, but this is ridiculous

www.commondreams.org

When Bernie Sanders Did the Joe Rogan Show

Bernie Sanders’s viral appearance on the Joe Rogan Experience podcast — terra incognita for liberal politicians — showcased his unique ability to communicate left-wing values across the ideological divide.

jacobinmag.com

Andrew Yang: Podcasts Have Been Instrumental For My Campaign, "Bigger Than Cable News"

2020 presidential candidate Andrew Yang joined CNN's Brian Stelter on this week's "Reliable Sources" to talk about qualifying for the first Democratic debate, how he can boost his name recognition, and how appearances on podcasts like "The Joe Rogan Experience" helped boost his candidacy...

www.realclearpolitics.com

Except no one has once doubted the importance of podcasts

merely the validity of their comments sections as evidence that ONLY one candidate can beat Trump. Particularly when citing a podcast whose listeners are overwhelmingly male (and likely majority white) about a candidate whose problems lie outside of that demo

 

[dholliday]

Except no one has once doubted the importance of podcasts

merely the validity of their comments sections as evidence that ONLY one candidate can beat Trump. Particularly when citing a podcast whose listeners are overwhelmingly male (and likely majority white) about a candidate whose problems lie outside of that demo

you're being awkward again.

and "overwhelmingly white male" listeners??? evidence required otherwise you've fallen into the identity-politics trap.

 

[dholliday]

And Joe Rogan fans skew extremely male, somewhat simple,

jesus...no wonder folk are so divided when there's such derogatory name-calling of a group containing many millions of discerning listeners of detailed podcasts.

so what are progressive liberal Twitter users then, with their one-liners and short attention spans? single-cell organisms?

 

[LinekersLegs]

likely is the key word here. it's a very relative one too.

regarding whiter/richer...who are darker/poorer folk more likely to favour? Warren, Biden or Sanders?

Most polls have a series of questions to determine who are “Likely voters”, usually based on things like past voting/how interested are in current election, and often backtest to determine how accurate those questions were at determining who actually did end up voting by cross tabbing with voter rolls. Obviously “likely voter” models are not infallible but it can still be informative,

Politico does a really helpful analysis on the demographics of the candidates support.

https://www.politico.com/2020-election/democratic-presidential-candidates/polls/

 

[sdk]

jesus...no wonder folk are so divided when there's such derogatory name-calling of a group containing many millions of discerning listeners of detailed podcasts.

The old Shaker hymn tells us "'Tis a gift to be simple." No need to be so judgmental.