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Warren by a decent margin. A policy platform that is impressive in both its breadth and depth, and a compelling story to hang it all from. The things she believes in and espouses she has spent basically an entire career either teaching or pushing for. She's also a living, breathing example of the benefits of a strong public support platform.

She's been strong at both debates and on the CNN Town Hall on the environment. The fact that she's adopted Inslee's climate plan (with a few extra provisions of her own) shows what a smart campaign she's running.

She's also shown a willingness to go head to head with Trump without letting it define her campaign.


Oh, but but but Pocohontas!!

Yeah... no one who even has a shade of a chance of voting Democratic will be in the least bit moved by that. If anything, it'll be an asset, due to people's urge to stick it to Trump
As you know, I'm a warren fan but in the interest of fairness I'll share the few concerns I have.
Firstly, she might be laying the 'folksy' on a bit thick. She didn't really do that while campaigning in Mass and it's a bit jarring. Still, benefit of the doubt, she probably knows what she's doing.
The second thing that bothers me is her answer on ranked choice voting. She said something like she doesn't know much about it and would have to look in to it more. The reason this concerns me is that for the last however many years, she has lived in Cambridge. For a long time Cambridge was the only city in the US with ranked choice voting. It still has ranked choice voting, has she never voted in local elections?
How hard would it have been to say 'I know all about it, I've been using it for 20 years'.
It's a small thing but I just don't get it.

Both good posts but i think Ruairi shades it. The priority-thinking has to be who can beat Trump not who will make the best Pres. Bernie is the only one I see here, and if it comes to that we can probably thank Joe Rogan for showing republican-leaning voters that Sanders is actually sound.
 
Unfortunately I doubt this will be the last of contractors not paid by campaigns iirc Gingrich still owes millions from his 2012 run.
Wayne Messam is best known, if you’ve heard of him at all, as the other mayor running for president — in his case, not quite as successfully as South Bend, Indiana’s mayor, Pete Buttigieg.

The mayor of Miramar, Florida, has not found much of an audience or appeared in any debates. He has raised a mere $93,812 and a small campaign staff. And now, according to internal campaign documents and interviews with eight former Messam campaign staffers and contractors, his campaign appears to be in near-total disarray.

The documents and staffers, some of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity to protect future employment prospects, depicted a no-hope campaign that nonetheless was embroiled in bitter disputes over money and control — a “D-list version of The Sopranos,” in one description. In particular, staffers claim that Wayne and his wife, Angela Messam, have refused to pay them for their work. All of the staff members and vendors that BuzzFeed News spoke with said they were never fully compensated for their work on the campaign and, in some cases, weren’t paid at all for expenses they’d fronted from their own bank accounts, including business cards for the campaign and flights, hotel rooms, and security costs for a trip to the Middle East. In some instances, staffers were told by the Messams that the couple believed them to be “volunteering” for the campaign, despite emails from senior staff to the Messams telling them about start dates for employees, and what staffers say were verbal agreements and offer letters from the campaign for their positions.

“This is the most immoral, unethical thing I’ve ever seen in my 15 years of politics,” CeCe Grant, the former chief operations director for Messam’s campaign, told BuzzFeed News in an interview.
 
Both good posts but i think Ruairi shades it. The priority-thinking has to be who can beat Trump not who will make the best Pres. Bernie is the only one I see here, and if it comes to that we can probably thank Joe Rogan for showing republican-leaning voters that Sanders is actually sound.
The problem with Sanders here is that there is still a bitter taste after his run against Clinton (I voted for Sanders).
He has a real issue with his core support. They are so full on that they can be divisive. I took a look at twitter during the climate thing on CNN and the vitriol directed at Warren was way over the top.
Another issue with Sanders is his age. If he serves two terms, he'd be 86 when leaving office.
Warren can provide a united front between most Clintonites, most Sanders Supporters, some Biden supporters and some independents. And if she's elected, she'd be in a much better position to lead a united government.
Americans are sick of old school establishment politicians but they are also sick of extremest outsiders. Warren could be the compromise.
 
The problem with Sanders here is that there is still a bitter taste after his run against Clinton (I voted for Sanders).
He has a real issue with his core support. They are so full on that they can be divisive. I took a look at twitter during the climate thing on CNN and the vitriol directed at Warren was way over the top.
Another issue with Sanders is his age. If he serves two terms, he'd be 86 when leaving office.
Warren can provide a united front between most Clintonites, most Sanders Supporters, some Biden supporters and some independents. And if she's elected, she'd be in a much better position to lead a united government.
Americans are sick of old school establishment politicians but they are also sick of extremest outsiders. Warren could be the compromise.
I lot of my reliable dem primary voter friends here in CA could reluctantly be persuaded to switch from Biden to Warren, especially if he continues making errors that give concern about his age. But they would never vote for Sanders in the primary.
 
Both good posts but i think Ruairi shades it. The priority-thinking has to be who can beat Trump not who will make the best Pres. Bernie is the only one I see here, and if it comes to that we can probably thank Joe Rogan for showing republican-leaning voters that Sanders is actually sound.
If that is your requirement then all the polls suggest Biden should be the candidate. For example
Biden leads Trump 51 percent to 42 percent among registered Wisconsin voters in the Marquette University Law School poll released Wednesday.

The poll also shows another Democratic White House hopeful, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), with a slight lead over the Republican president, 48 percent to 44 percent.
 
I took a look at twitter during the climate thing on CNN and the vitriol directed at Warren was way over the top.

Another issue with Sanders is his age. If he serves two terms, he'd be 86 when leaving office.

uh-oh...is this the friendly-circular fire Obama was warning about?

I don't think age is a problem (unless voters just fancy someone younger). Konrad Adenauer became Kanzler (the boss) of West Germany in 1949 at the age of 73. He had an almighty job on his hands: after 4 years of occupation the country hadn't yet had a chance to repair itself, the stigma of shame hung heavily over the land, and many men were still Russian prisoners of war (my own Granddad among them).

Adenauer's first priority was to get as many men back from the Soviets as possible. He succeeded, despite the Russians not being as closely allied as the West occupiers.

He then began a program of repair and renew. West Germany healed and prospered. The people kept voting him in, until in 1963, at age 87, he retired from office.

The most challenging job any chief has had in the post-war Western world was done by a chap older than Sanders would be. Age isn't a barrier.
 
If that is your requirement then all the polls suggest Biden should be the candidate. For example
Biden leads Trump 51 percent to 42 percent among registered Wisconsin voters in the Marquette University Law School poll released Wednesday.

The poll also shows another Democratic White House hopeful, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), with a slight lead over the Republican president, 48 percent to 44 percent.

Biden is showing signs of senility. Sanders and Warren both seem fit.

as @BirkenheadBlue said Warren has a solid Dem voterbase, but i just don't see her attracting many swing voters. Bernie can. Hopefully his fanbase calm it down a tad (sounds a bit Momentum-like).
 
uh-oh...is this the friendly-circular fire Obama was warning about?

I don't think age is a problem (unless voters just fancy someone younger). Konrad Adenauer became Kanzler (the boss) of West Germany in 1949 at the age of 73. He had an almighty job on his hands: after 4 years of occupation the country hadn't yet had a chance to repair itself, the stigma of shame hung heavily over the land, and many men were still Russian prisoners of war (my own Granddad among them).

Adenauer's first priority was to get as many men back from the Soviets as possible. He succeeded, despite the Russians not being as closely allied as the West occupiers.

He then began a program of repair and renew. West Germany healed and prospered. The people kept voting him in, until in 1963, at age 87, he retired from office.

The most challenging job any chief has had in the post-war Western world was done by a chap older than Sanders would be. Age isn't a barrier.
You might not care but you are not representative of the average US voter - either in dem primary or national
More than half of all Democrats said they would be less likely to support a candidate over 70 years old.
 
uh-oh...is this the friendly-circular fire Obama was warning about?

I don't think age is a problem (unless voters just fancy someone younger). Konrad Adenauer became Kanzler (the boss) of West Germany in 1949 at the age of 73. He had an almighty job on his hands: after 4 years of occupation the country hadn't yet had a chance to repair itself, the stigma of shame hung heavily over the land, and many men were still Russian prisoners of war (my own Granddad among them).

Adenauer's first priority was to get as many men back from the Soviets as possible. He succeeded, despite the Russians not being as closely allied as the West occupiers.

He then began a program of repair and renew. West Germany healed and prospered. The people kept voting him in, until in 1963, at age 87, he retired from office.

The most challenging job any chief has had in the post-war Western world was done by a chap older than Sanders would be. Age isn't a barrier.
I'm full sure he could do a job at 86, it's just if I'm trying to pick between two progressive candidates, one of the factors would be age. I'd ideally like to see someone in their late 40's or early 50's.
If Sanders gets the nomination, I'd gladly vote for him but I won't be voting for him in the primary and I hope his supporters don't do too much damage to the other candidates opposing Trump.
 
Biden is showing signs of senility. Sanders and Warren both seem fit.

as @BirkenheadBlue said Warren has a solid Dem voterbase, but i just don't see her attracting many swing voters. Bernie can. Hopefully his fanbase calm it down a tad (sounds a bit Momentum-like).
Can you cite some evidence for this? And tbh unless he can win the primary it is a bit immaterial.

His fan base calm down a tad lol Oh that ship sailed a long, long time ago!
 
More than half of all Democrats said they would be less likely to support a candidate over 70 years old.
I'm full sure he could do a job at 86, it's just if I'm trying to pick between two progressive candidates, one of the factors would be age. I'd ideally like to see someone in their late 40's or early 50's.

If one of Biden, Warren or Sanders gets it they'll be going up against a fellow old person anyway in Trump.

Shame none of the middle-aged semi-favourites seem to be any good. Beto and Kamala are definite no-go's.


Can you cite some evidence for this? And tbh unless he can win the primary it is a bit immaterial.

It's not much but it's something: the feedback from the Rogan podcast was overwhelmingly positive. Rogan's audience is very mixed, but a lot of conservative and alt-right types among them.

10 million views, 175,000 comments. A lot of people were pleasantly surprised at how reasonable and well-argued Bernie's ideas are when they were lead to believe (by rightwing media) that he was a crazy socialist.

Trump's hardcore base won't be enough to keep him in, he needs an opponent who moderate Republicans can't get on board with (like Warren).
 
Both good posts but i think Ruairi shades it. The priority-thinking has to be who can beat Trump not who will make the best Pres. Bernie is the only one I see here, and if it comes to that we can probably thank Joe Rogan for showing republican-leaning voters that Sanders is actually sound.
You say the same thing over and over, but have never offered any evidence, so far as I’ve seen (despite me and others asking several times)

Evidence of Bernie being “the only one” who can beat Trump. GO.
 
I love this theory that “moderate Republicans” (all 12 of them) can get on board with Sanders but not Warren. lol lol lol lol :pint2:

do you know ANYTHING about their policies?
 
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