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"incremental reform" lol
Yes, incremental reform, the means by which the country has traditionally operated and secured most all of the legislative advances that didn't result from catastrophic wars and economic depressions. You can larf all you like, but this is not ridiculous to the masses of Americans who don't see twitter as the locus of their public life.
 
Yes, incremental reform, the means by which the country has traditionally operated and secured most all of the legislative advances that didn't result from catastrophic wars and economic depressions. You can larf all you like, but this is not ridiculous to the masses of Americans who don't see twitter as the locus of their public life.

I know, and its that kind of "incremental reform" that has led to the US having a private healthcare system that costs quite a bit more in government subsidy per person than our socialist NHS does. Come to think of it, its the same type of "incremental reform" that meant it was illegal to marry outside ones race in about half of the US only sixty years ago, despite the Civil War being fought and won a hundred years before that.
 
I know, and its that kind of "incremental reform" that has led to the US having a private healthcare system that costs quite a bit more in government subsidy per person than our socialist NHS does. Come to think of it, its the same type of "incremental reform" that meant it was illegal to marry outside ones race in about half of the US only sixty years ago, despite the Civil War being fought and won a hundred years before that.
Which ultimately prompted civil rights organizations to work to change that both through the courts and by expanding federal authority into what had theretofore been matters of state discretion. For all the racism and sexism and homophobia and etc. in the present day USA, we're not the country we were fifty years ago. I don't see any other way to change a society and culture built upon centuries of white supremacy except incrementally, unless you're talking the inchoate "revolution" that exists in the imaginations of a dinky proportion of the populace.

In the recent Dem debates, Sanders was asked how he'd try to get his platform through congress in the face of likely GOP obstructionism. His response was that the people would fill the streets and demand it. That's not a serious answer.
 
Which ultimately prompted civil rights organizations to work to change that both through the courts and by expanding federal authority into what had theretofore been matters of state discretion. For all the racism and sexism and homophobia and etc. in the present day USA, we're not the country we were fifty years ago. I don't see any other way to change a society and culture built upon centuries of white supremacy except incrementally, unless you're talking the inchoate "revolution" that exists in the imaginations of a dinky proportion of the populace.

In the recent Dem debates, Sanders was asked how he'd try to get his platform through congress in the face of likely GOP obstructionism. His response was that the people would fill the streets and demand it. That's not a serious answer.

Sorry, but how isn't that policy an indication of white supremacy? Saying to people "Yes, we fought and won your freedom, but obviously its going to take us more than a hundred years before we actually start treating you as fully free".

Also with regard to Sanders, that is a valid point - but it (the failure to implement programmes because of GOP obstructionism) happens to everything and everyone that isn't something they have proposed; that is why the US is in the state that its in, why Merrick Garland isn't on the Supreme Court, why they are successfully undoing abortion rights, and why any sensible legislation over gun rights, campaign finance reform or anything that lobbyists don't like doesn't get passed.
 
why the US is in the state that its in, why Merrick Garland isn't on the Supreme Court, why they are successfully undoing abortion rights, and why any sensible legislation over gun rights, campaign finance reform or anything that lobbyists don't like doesn't get passed.
That's actually Mitch McConnell's full birth name. Went with "Mitch" because it was a nightmare filling out forms.
 
Sorry, but how isn't that policy an indication of white supremacy? Saying to people "Yes, we fought and won your freedom, but obviously its going to take us more than a hundred years before we actually start treating you as fully free".

Also with regard to Sanders, that is a valid point - but it (the failure to implement programmes because of GOP obstructionism) happens to everything and everyone that isn't something they have proposed; that is why the US is in the state that its in, why Merrick Garland isn't on the Supreme Court, why they are successfully undoing abortion rights, and why any sensible legislation over gun rights, campaign finance reform or anything that lobbyists don't like doesn't get passed.
Your reference to the long process of slavery to Jim Crow to cumulative expansions of civil rights is precisely why incrementalism has been the means of progressive change in this country, not because incrementalism is a positive good in itself (though some argue it is), but because it was the only viable means available.

GOP obstructionism is ubiquitous, so yeah, a President Warren (my preference) or Harris or Biden would face it as surely as a President Sanders, but that obstructionism only became strategic during the House Speakership of Newt Gingrich in the '90s, and only became the main string to the Republican bow during the Obama presidency. Currently partisan polarization is at an extreme we haven't seen since the last decades of the 19th century. There's far more reason to see it as cyclical than as an unprecedented condition that will prove permanent. I think it's more likely the GOP will make itself irrelevant through a disinclination and/or inability to appeal to nonwhite demographics. Regardless, my reference to Sanders' people-in-the-streets talk was intended less as an indictment of his failure to possess a readymade means of trouncing the GOP in congress (which, true enough, would be an indictment fit for everyone else as well) than as a comment on the cast of mind that suggests history has had no effects that can't be eliminated by rousing rhetoric and a series of marches.
 
Yeah, seems reasonable. I mean who wants to see the people with an actual chance at the nomination debate with each other anyway?
Think we’ll get that debate in the next round as the field is being whittled down quite rapidly, at least this one is slightly more even than the last.

Going to be fascinating to see what it does to Biden’s numbers and whether his newly hired debate coach can improve his performance as wide exposure to 2019 Biden (rather than the memory of 2008-16 Biden) so far hasn’t helped him.
 
Think we’ll get that debate in the next round as the field is being whittled down quite rapidly, at least this one is slightly more even than the last.

Going to be fascinating to see what it does to Biden’s numbers and whether his newly hired debate coach can improve his performance as wide exposure to 2019 Biden (rather than the memory of 2008-16 Biden) so far hasn’t helped him.


Good result for Sanders that
 
Think we’ll get that debate in the next round as the field is being whittled down quite rapidly, at least this one is slightly more even than the last.

Going to be fascinating to see what it does to Biden’s numbers and whether his newly hired debate coach can improve his performance as wide exposure to 2019 Biden (rather than the memory of 2008-16 Biden) so far hasn’t helped him.

I hadn't heard that Biden had hired a new debate coach.
He can only get better I suppose but he strikes me as someone who doesn't take direction too well. (apart from when it came from Obama)
 
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