Current Affairs 2020 Democratic Primary

[BlueTX]

yup, but she could have spent millions on ads and she wouldnt have got the bump she got off the debate. It kept her in the race.
I'm curious to see how well Bloomberg will do on super Tuesday, he clearly isn't used to being taken to task and I don't see him doing any better in debates moving forward.
There's only so much papering over the cracks spending millions on ads can do.

The difference between the sides, at this point in time, is that Dems give a damn about cracks (in fact, are focused on them at this point) while the other side couldn't care less. The GOP is simply interested in winning. Period. Dems seem perfectly willing to shoot each other, and the party and hopes of enacting any changes they want to make, in the foot.

Hopefully that changes come the summer.

 

[LinekersLegs]

I think you can still trust the polling data. In 2016, Clinton received 3M more votes than Trump nationwide, but Trump managed to win EVERY swing state by razor thin margins which were very much within the accepted margins of error for those sorts of polls. He won Pennsylvania by 55k votes, Wisconsin by 20k and Michigan by 10k. If those three states had gone the other way, Hillary is president right now. No poll of that scale is going to be accurate down to the tens of thousands of votes.

Interesting you mentioned those states as just been some recent polling by Quinnipiac that compares them to national polling by same company. All the usual caveats (still early in primary season, state polls harder than national, just one poll etc) but those WI numbers are brutal

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Fare play to Warren absolutely crushed everyone especially Bloombergo.

She’s done that in like 80% of the debates.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Fewer than 8 million people watched the New Hampshire debate, just a blip more than watched the Iowa debate. At this point in the election cycle, most Americans have an attention span measured in seconds rather than 2 hours.

Surprisingly high figure watched tbh - although a lot of Nevada has already voted so the effects will be muted and as you say attention spans aren’t long and there is another debate next week

 

[Death]

She’s done that in like 80% of the debates.

The ‘sanders is a sexist’ exploded right in her face but she fought the right fights there. She could end up being 3rd maybe an outside chance at second in Nevada over that.

 

[Death]

Haha I wonder why every democrat that’s running bar sanders doesn’t want the nominee with the most votes to be the winner. Far cry from when every democrat was screaming about Hillary. Why is Bernie the only democratic that wants, yeknow, democracy.

Every one of them slimey dirtbags ‘eh eh, delegates are my only way of a slither of hope against Bernie who will surely win the popular vote so I think the most delegates winning is fantastic!’

vomit inducing

 

[Prevenger17]

Lol, just caught up with the debate highlights. The ref blew the starting whistle and Warren went in on Bloomberg with a three footed studs-up lunge before he had a chance to pull up his socks

 

[Ruairi77]

Haha I wonder why every democrat that’s running bar sanders doesn’t want the nominee with the most votes to be the winner. Far cry from when every democrat was screaming about Hillary. Why is Bernie the only democratic that wants, yeknow, democracy.

Every one of them slimey dirtbags ‘eh eh, delegates are my only way of a slimmer of hope against Berniewho will surely win the popular vote so I think the most delegates winning is fantastic!’

vomit inducing

I wonder why Sanders was desperate for superdelegates in 2016. Mister consistent eh?

 

[LinekersLegs]

Haha I wonder why every democrat that’s running bar sanders doesn’t want the nominee with the most votes to be the winner. Far cry from when every democrat was screaming about Hillary. Why is Bernie the only democratic that wants, yeknow, democracy.

Every one of them slimey dirtbags ‘eh eh, delegates are my only way of a slither of hope against Bernie who will surely win the popular vote so I think the most delegates winning is fantastic!’

vomit inducing

say that to 2016 Bernie who wanted superdelegates to award him the nomination even if he didn’t get the majority lol



Or course all candidates are liable to ask for the scenario that best suits them, intellectual consistency is a great in theory but very hard in practice.

fwiw I think that if one candidate has a clear plurality (but not a majority) then to me it is clear that they should get the nomination. A virtual 3 way tie with one at 27% another two at 25% with the others scattered around doesn’t seem so obvious to me. Ranking choice voting would probably help.

 

[Death]

I wonder why Sanders was desperate for superdelegates in 2016. Mister consistent eh?

Because back then even he couldn’t believe that it would be used to be rigged against him.

 

[Death]

say that to 2016 Bernie who wanted superdelegates to award him the nomination even if he didn’t get the majority lol



Or course all candidates are liable to ask for the scenario that best suits them, intellectual consistency is a great in theory but very hard in practice.

Ok was Bernie wrong then and right now? Or right then and wrong now?

 

[LinekersLegs]

Ok was Bernie wrong then and right now? Or right then and wrong now?

As I said in my edit I’d lean towards the former but in a very close race I’m not so sure.

 

[Ruairi77]

Ok was Bernie wrong then and right now? Or right then and wrong now?

wrong then and right now but all this complaining about superdeligates rings hollow when he chased them 4 years ago.
He knows the system. As an independent, he's taking advantage of it. He can have no complaints if party superdeligates don't go for him especially when he didn't join the party after '16.

 

[Ruairi77]

Because back then even he couldn’t believe that it would be used to be rigged against him.

??
Sanders got a raw deal in '16 but it wasn't because of how superdeligates voted.

 

[BlueTX]

Surprisingly high figure watched tbh - although a lot of Nevada has already voted so the effects will be muted and as you say attention spans aren’t long and there is another debate next week

Cool! Glad to see interest picking up.