Current Affairs 2020 Democratic Primary

[SteveSC]

Here I will give you a run down of every vote I ever made in my life
Im only 25 so keep that in mind. In 2012, I had the option between Obama and Romney. I didnt vote because I could not see myself in either of their "plans". I also voted for 1 Democratic Senator. For city council, I vote all Republican. I also voted for a Democratic Govenor in a red state. In 2016, I voted for Trump. I also re-voted for the Democratic Governor. Also a republican senator that year. I voted for a increase in teacher pay. I voted for a penny tax to help rebuild our roads. I am a independent to its core. If I like what you have to say, I will vote for you. I dont get worked up about politics like alot of the knob heads do on here. @BirkenheadBlue and I will never agree on anything because he only sees the left viewpoints and thats it. I respect his opinion on everything and honestly listen.

No hard feelings about anyone on here. I know some people feel butt hurt about certain things but not everyone is a mere copy of each other.

I figured you were young alright.

But that's a little more than i don't vote on local stuff then eh?

See you were not clear i think that's why you were getting it in the neck. Well that and you started the same routine some of the others do about the leftys not respecting your viewpoint. Instead off using lefty you went with state.

Simply its not true or fair to say people in other states don't get nor respect your viewpoint. Challenge some of what you say maybe.

You have to figure that many off us on here are immigrants, not from the US originally and possibly well traveled. Also those that were born here seem to be very well educated and up with things. So throwing things out like no one respects your viewpoint because of you geographical location is silly. There are other posters from Texas and down south who are very well respected on here for their viewpoints.

 

[Grinch]

Great. Do I have to learn who this Klobochops person is?

RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY! I sent one message in here and been trapped. Im trying to get the Mods to ban! @RAFUH this could be your first assignment. I need a ban from Current Affairs please

 

[Ruairi77]

I dont get worked up about politics like alot of the knob heads do on here.

No hard feelings about anyone on here.

you're all over the shop mate.

 

[DanEFC92]

Eh dont take politics into anything. Doesnt say much about anyone Very much a solid guy. Just because someone votes a certain way or has certain viewpoints doesnt make them a bad person.

It blatantly does, like.

 

[Grinch]

I figured you were young alright.

But that's a little more than i don't vote on local stuff then eh?

See you were not clear i think that's why you were getting it in the neck. Well that and you started the same routine some of the others do about the leftys not respecting your viewpoint. Instead off using lefty you went with state.

Simply its not true or fair to say people in other states don't get nor respect your viewpoint. Challenge some of what you say maybe.

You have to figure that many off us on here are immigrants, not from the US originally and possibly well traveled. Also those that were born here seem to be very well educated and up with things. So throwing things out like no one respects your viewpoint because of you geographical location is silly. There are other posters from Texas and down south who are very well respected on here for their viewpoints.

Oh yeah I get that fully. I like to provide a different viewpoint than just saying "Trump is horrible". Now it may not come off so great as I hate typing and forming delicious sentences. A nice talk over a beer would be ideal. But I am going to do us all a favor and ban myself from clicking on the Current Affairs tab ever again and stick to the boys in blue for why I came on here.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Great. Do I have to learn who this Klobochops person is?

Probably not tbh, or at least wait to see how she does in Nevada/S Carolina as she currently has a very very narrow path that involves consolidation of Biden’s non white support, the rural/non college that isn’t going for Sanders and Warren’s older college ed women.

 

[abelard]

Great. Do I have to learn who this Klobochops person is?

Klobuchar is known mostly for abusing her staffers (throwing staplers at them, publicly humiliating them, making them shave her legs, taking their combs and using them to eat salad with - no joke!)

So she is very popular with disaffected Stockholm-Syndrome-of-Capitalism Gen X types who think that anyone younger than 40 is an indolent whinger with lower IQ scores than a golden retriever.

She is the political manifestation of those people who hate-click every last listicle detailing how millennials are ruining auto insurance, business school, cable television, corn flakes, going to the zoo, blow jobs, X-mas cards, tater tots, and major league baseball etc etc.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Klobuchar is known mostly for abusing her staffers (throwing staplers at them, publicly humiliating them, making them shave her legs, taking their combs and using them to eat salad with - no joke!)

So she is very popular with disaffected Stockholm-Syndrome-of-Capitalism Gen X types who think that anyone younger than 40 is an indolent whinger with lower IQ scores than a golden retriever.

She is the political manifestation of those people who hate-click every last listicle detailing how millennials are ruining auto insurance, business school, cable television, corn flakes, going to the zoo, blow jobs, X-mas cards, tater tots, and major league baseball etc etc.

And those are just her good points @Layne, just wait until @abelard really tells you how he thinks

 

[Prevenger17]

Klobuchar is known mostly for abusing her staffers (throwing staplers at them, publicly humiliating them, making them shave her legs, taking their combs and using them to eat salad with - no joke!)

So she is very popular with disaffected Stockholm-Syndrome-of-Capitalism Gen X types who think that anyone younger than 40 is an indolent whinger with lower IQ scores than a golden retriever.

She is the political manifestation of those people who hate-click every last listicle detailing how millennials are ruining auto insurance, business school, cable television, corn flakes, going to the zoo, blow jobs, X-mas cards, tater tots, and major league baseball etc etc.

Have no idea if any of that's true, but an outstanding post nonetheless

 

[Ruairi77]

Have no idea if any of that's true, but an outstanding post nonetheless

Unfortunately I think the staffer abuse stuff is fairly accurate.

 

[verreauxi]

Klobuchar is known mostly for abusing her staffers (throwing staplers at them, publicly humiliating them, making them shave her legs, taking their combs and using them to eat salad with - no joke!)

So she is very popular with disaffected Stockholm-Syndrome-of-Capitalism Gen X types who think that anyone younger than 40 is an indolent whinger with lower IQ scores than a golden retriever.

She is the political manifestation of those people who hate-click every last listicle detailing how millennials are ruining auto insurance, business school, cable television, corn flakes, going to the zoo, blow jobs, X-mas cards, tater tots, and major league baseball etc etc.

Just as an editorial note: I love that you are back here posting. Seriously.

 

[Martin Alvito]

Unfortunately I think the staffer abuse stuff is fairly accurate.

It's well documented. But she's running against Donald Trump, so clearly the voting public broadly doesn't care about that kind of stuff anymore.

Assuming for the moment that the election is 'free and fair', which may be a brave assumption, the best hope of beating Trump is to put forward somebody that can verbally street-fight with him the right way. If you saw her take down Kavanaugh, you know that's what you're looking at. I still think that Booker would have been the better choice since he doesn't have the aforementioned baggage, but she'll do.

The problem for her will be consolidating enough votes fast enough to have a shot coming out of Super Tuesday. @LinekersLegs has a nice synopsis of what votes she has to pull from where to get into the national discussion as long as the main players remain in.

Another interesting question is where support goes if/when Warren and/or Biden muck. (Timing matters on that, too.) Anyone that tells you that they can predict those outcomes with anything approaching certainty is lying.

The last interesting question is what effect, if any, Bloomberg has on Super Tuesday. Early polls would suggest that he'll be very hard on the moderate lane of candidates, but those polls happened before Buttigieg got a notch (maybe) on his gun belt in Iowa and the Klobucharge. We have an interesting natural experiment in the influence of name recognition and advertising dollars vs. actual primary state voting results taking place.

Basically, we're so far off the reservation in primary politics history that nobody actually knows what's going on. The last time that happened, we got Trump, so that would seem to say Sanders. However, the Democrats are not the Republicans and what happens with the minority vote in South Carolina (and at the Nevada caucuses) will probably give us as clearer picture than we're getting from two fairly unrepresentative states.

 

[abelard]

And those are just her good points @Layne, just wait until @abelard really tells you how he thinks

I actually sort of respect Klobuchar in a way. She tells it like it is. Not literally of course, but her image is forthright, and consistent. Basically: "Silence, peasant! How DARE you entertain notions above your station? You will receive the health care coverage of which your betters deem you worthy, and you will be grateful for it. Beatings shall continue until morale improves".

That sounds very loaded and negative, obviously, but I sincerely do prefer it to the messaging from Buttigieg (last seen peddling, with no mainstream media scrutiny, an exceedingly stupid and unpopular health proposal which intensifies everything people hate about Obamacare and which would likely finish the Dems off for good were it ever implemented)

Buttigieg, a man with no soul, sounds like the beta version of a Siri-style voice-messaging service programmed entirely by old West Wing scripts, and I'd rather have Klobuchar tell me that I'm worthless than endure his McKinsey-proofed gibberish - "Our justice brings liberty because our liberty is just! Unleash the hope of tomorrow's dreams and together we shall triumph in our diversity!" as he mechanically goes about the same failed corporate policies that have devastated his party and his country for the past four decades.

Klobuchar is a solid if fatally limited candidate, and unlike Buttigieg, Warren, Biden or Bloomberg, whom he would each obliterate, I suspect Trump would struggle to define her. She certainly would have performed better than Hillary in 2016. The trouble though is that you can only win elections by a) winning over their voters and b) getting new people to vote, and she is capable of neither.

Like Elizabeth Warren, the Venn Diagram between people who find her exciting and people who bought this book is a near-perfect circle, and in an era where turnout is nearly everything that likely won't be good enough.

The economy has not yet collapsed and he is yet to kill his first 100,00, so Trump is - to use a tired media concept which we no longer hear - 'normalised' to a large extent among low information voters, and this sort of messaging* (also the sole basis of Klobuchar's candidacy) won't work.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

Btw a great poll, anticipated the potential candidates well a year ago, only miss I guess is Buttigieg, nobody saw it coming

 

[abelard]

Btw a great poll, anticipated the potential candidates well a year ago, only miss I guess is Buttigieg, nobody saw it coming

Thank you!

In my defence, I did address Buttigieg here:

**P.S. anyone wishing to vote Buttigieg in the poll should just click Beto, because they are basically different brands of the same product**

I regret the lack of Yang (though this was harder to see coming), as 95% male internet forums are exactly the sort of place where his base lurks and he might even be competitive with Warren, if not the illustrious heights of Vegan Cheese on Toasted Artisanal Sourdough (Gluten Free).