Current Affairs 2020 Democratic Primary

[Ruairi77]

While I totally agree with you, a Bloomberg/Trump race would be the type of reality TV show that Trump governs by and would somehow find a way to benefit from.

Although I kind of have to admit I'd watch. I'd be part of the problem

yea, I'd be part of the problem too.
I do think Bloomberg could get right under Trumps skin because he's like a 100 times wealthier than him.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Socialism is fantastic. How can nobody get that? Especially if you are a working class person. Like ya know, nearly everybody.

The point is more that even what the furthest left Democratic candidate stands for is like maybe 15-20% strength socialism at absolute most.

The sort that says people shouldn’t go bankrupt because they get sick, and should still have a shot at a good education even if their parents aren’t rich.

VERY dangerous policies.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

yea, I'd be part of the problem too.
I do think Bloomberg could get right under Trumps skin because he's like a 100 times wealthier than him.

To be fair, it’s not like it takes much

 

[Death]

The point is more that even what the furthest left Democratic candidate stands for is like maybe 15-20% strength socialism at absolute most.

The sort that says people shouldn’t go bankrupt because they get sick, and should still have a shot at a good education even if their parents aren’t rich.

VERY dangerous policies.

Working 9-5 and being able to afford a living. It’s North Korea is what it is.

 

[Ruairi77]

To be fair, it’s not like it takes much

true.

 

[Death]

Multiple mainstream media news channels are saying Bernie isn’t doing well because he had more votes n the race with Hillary 4 years ago. In a two horse race. Hahahahahahahahahahaha


You know he’s the real deal when they are making themselves look like they don’t understand primary school maths to make him look like it’s not really a win.But you know they can’t be that stupid. They are stupid but they can’t be that stupid. The machine is feeding the lines.

 

[Ruairi77]

Multiple mainstream media news channels are saying Bernie isn’t doing well because he had more votes n the race with Hillary 4 years ago. In a two horse race. Hahahahahahahahahahaha


You know he’s the real deal when they are making themselves look like they don’t understand primary school maths to make him look like it’s not really a win.But you know they can’t be that stupid. They are stupid but they can’t be that stupid. The machine is feeding the lines.

it's not that stupid.
you can easily divide NH Dems in to two voting blocks, progressives v moderates.
In 2016 Sanders, the only progressive, took 60% of the vote.
in 2020 Sanders and Warren, the progressives, took below 40% of the vote.
The point the media are making is that the progressive vote took a really big hit in NH in 2020 and they're not wrong.
Besides Biden, the story coming out of NH is how poorly progressives performed.

Sanders needed a bigger turnout in Iowa and more votes in NH to cement his position as front runner.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

it's not that stupid.
you can easily divide NH Dems in to two voting blocks, progressives v moderates.
In 2016 Sanders, the only progressive, took 60% of the vote.
in 2020 Sanders and Warren, the progressives, took below 40% of the vote.
The point the media are making is that the progressive vote took a really big hit in NH in 2020 and they're not wrong.
Besides Biden, the story coming out of NH is how poorly progressives performed.

Sanders needed a bigger turnout in Iowa and more votes in NH to cement his position as front runner.

It’s an indication that people are rightly or wrongly tempering their instincts because their primary motivator is fear of losing.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Well there’s a diverse group of supporters.

 

[Ruairi77]

It’s an indication that people are rightly or wrongly tempering their instincts because their primary motivator is fear of losing.

yup!
I also think there is a healthy fear of swinging from extreme to extreme. There's definitely a feeling that a moderate has a better chance of healing the country, there just isn't a good moderate option.

 

[Death]

it's not that stupid.
you can easily divide NH Dems in to two voting blocks, progressives v moderates.
In 2016 Sanders, the only progressive, took 60% of the vote.
in 2020 Sanders and Warren, the progressives, took below 40% of the vote.
The point the media are making is that the progressive vote took a really big hit in NH in 2020 and they're not wrong.
Besides Biden, the story coming out of NH is how poorly progressives performed.

Sanders needed a bigger turnout in Iowa and more votes in NH to cement his position as front runner.

But that’s because there are many in the race so the votes get divided more. There was Hillary and him last time. Off course the numbers are going to Be lower with more people to spread out.

 

[LinekersLegs]

it's not that stupid.
you can easily divide NH Dems in to two voting blocks, progressives v moderates.
In 2016 Sanders, the only progressive, took 60% of the vote.
in 2020 Sanders and Warren, the progressives, took below 40% of the vote.
The point the media are making is that the progressive vote took a really big hit in NH in 2020 and they're not wrong.
Besides Biden, the story coming out of NH is how poorly progressives performed.

Sanders needed a bigger turnout in Iowa and more votes in NH to cement his position as front runner.

It also indicates that a fair proportion of the 2016 NH result was anti-Hillary rather than pro-Bernie. Which matters when a lot of Bernie’s electability argument, particularly given his age and health issues, is that he can motivate/energize people in support of his policies unlike the other candidates.

It doesn’t mean it will stay that way, or that different regions may have different results or even that it will be a significant obstacle to him wining the nomination but it does raise legitimate questions on whether the promised “revolution“ has a lot of genuine backing.

 

[LinekersLegs]

But that’s because there are many in the race so the votes get divided more. There was Hillary and him last time. Off course the numbers are going to Be lower with more people to spread out.

Yes, I’d have expected somewhere between a 20 and 30 point drop. But going from 60% to 26% is quite a bit more than that, with not much of a gap to second place. If Klobuchar hadn’t had such a good debate performance it is possible thaf Buttigieg might well have gotten that extra few % to have beaten Sanders.

For reference the 2016 GOP primary also had lots of candidates, Trump still got 35% with Kasich in 2nd a poor 16%

 

[Ruairi77]

But that’s because there are many in the race so the votes get divided more. There was Hillary and him last time. Off course the numbers are going to Be lower with more people to spread out.

sure but if you divide it in to two blocks, progressives and moderates, the progressive candidates did way worse in this election.
The only candidate who possibly took votes off Sanders was Warren and she only got 9%.

 

[Death]

Yes, I’d have expected somewhere between a 20 and 30 point drop. But going from 60% to 26% is quite a bit more than that, with not much of a gap to second place. If Klobuchar hadn’t had such a good debate performance it is possible thaf Buttigieg might well have gotten that extra few % to have beaten Sanders.

For reference the 2016 GOP primary also had lots of candidates, Trump still got 35% with Kasich in 2nd a poor 16%

I think that nonsense in Iowa has giving Pete a boost to the mindless ‘oh look that Pete guy seems like he’s winning let’s vote him’ zombies. I think the Bernie cream will keep rising to the top. Klobuchar did well in the debate and deserves her share she’s won on merit I’ll take that. But denying Bernie isn’t a front runner is just the machine doing what it can since 2016 imo.