Current Affairs 2020 Democratic Primary

[sdk]

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A joke! HAHAHHAHAHA!!!

A joke based on the notion that there are very, very few people actually undecided between the GOP and the Dems. At this point, I think undecided means a pox on all their houses, I'm going surfing instead.

 

[Ruairi77]

this is what worries me about Sanders

 

[SteveSC]

this is what worries me about Sanders

It's Sanders or bust for his followers. Across the news ticker the other night the were giving answers to the polling or questions asked to the democrats in Iowa and only 7% of his base said they voted for Clinton. Essentially they willfully helped Trump succeed the other 93%. I bet its similar in other states too.

He and his followers are either Democrats or they are not. We don't have to agree necessarily with the person chosen but beating down the establishment never helps. Especially when the other side will just get on with it like they did with Trump. They won with him and are happy to have him even if they don't like him. Hence the issue with everyone else and the GOP now.

We get it Clinton was awful and it was rigged last time but to willfully allow Trump to take office and then complain about him day after day is kind of stupid. Maybe that was Sanders plan. So he could get a shot this time around.

Mad how the rest of us will vote for him if hes chosen and some of us may vote for him in the primaries too. but his supporters are all in and nothing else matters. They are akin to people who abstain. You lose the right to have an opinion on the political situation if you refuse or waste your vote in my opinion.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

It's Sanders or bust for his followers. Across the news ticker the other night the were giving answers to the polling or questions asked to the democrats in Iowa and only 7% of his base said they voted for Clinton. Essentially they willfully helped Trump succeed the other 93%. I bet its similar in other states too.

He and his followers are either Democrats or they are not. We don't have to agree necessarily with the person chosen but beating down the establishment never helps. Especially when the other side will just get on with it like they did with Trump. They won with him and are happy to have him even if they don't like him. Hence the issue with everyone else and the GOP now.

We get it Clinton was awful and it was rigged last time but to willfully allow Trump to take office and then complain about him day after day is kind of stupid. Maybe that was Sanders plan. So he could get a shot this time around.

Mad how the rest of us will vote for him if hes chosen and some of us may vote for him in the primaries too. but his supporters are all in and nothing else matters. They are akin to people who abstain. You lose the right to have an opinion on the political situation if you refuse or waste your vote in my opinion.

Sanders supporters that took their ball and stayed home in 2016 are despicable but can be forgiven if they atone for their sins.

Those of them that stay at home in 2020 if he's not the nominee are just as bad as Trump supporters, in my opinion.

 

[SteveSC]

Sanders supporters that took their ball and stayed home in 2016 are despicable but can be forgiven if they atone for their sins.

Those of them that stay at home in 2020 if he's not the nominee are just as bad as Trump supporters, in my opinion.

Agreed.

That for me applies to any other candidates supporters too from the left. It will never get fixed if they don't support the next guys.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Four years on, the Party still does not understand Sanders' appeal. They still assume his supporters are washed up hippies and idiot children, and that he's some sort of hipster social media fad, like tide pods (it is amazing - and instructive - how we still never hear in corporate media about his commanding lead among minorities, which will only strengthen now that Biden has been revealed).

They've spent the past four years pretending that the Bernie would go away if they ignored him, and as usual, they've left it until it was far too late to respond.

Yet we're supposed to trust ^these^ geniuses, who've already lost once to Donald F---ing Trump, to get it right the second time by tipping the scales for a man even less likeable than Hillary Clinton so they can run the same strategy - “For every blue-collar Democrat we lose in western Pennsylvania, we will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs in Philadelphia, and you can repeat that in Ohio and Illinois and Wisconsin” - that worked wonders in 2016.

Sanders is certainly doing better with non white voters than he did last time but can you point to the evidence that he has a commanding lead among minorities? Most of the data I have seen (although admittedly from dastardly corporate media!) suggest he does well with young voters of all ethnicities but struggles with older voters - who despite being less politically astute do have the sense to know their views only come close to counting if they register and vote

Perhaps Biden’s not going to able to limp to South Carolina after his poor showing so far but he is currently in a commanding lead there with Sanders, Steyer and Warren trailing well behind.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - South Carolina Democratic Presidential Primary

RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - South Carolina Democratic Presidential Primary

www.realclearpolitics.com

Nevada is going to be the first test of the actual appeal of the candidates to non white voters - Sanders is currently doing better there and it is a caucus state after all where he has historically been stronger but Biden, at least for now, is ahead although polling has been sparse.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Tend to believe that the decision to just release partial results was a mistake as well. If the results are so delayed anyway, why not just wait until all precincts are in and accounted for?

and probably my favorite analogy

 

[abelard]

Sanders is certainly doing better with non white voters than he did last time but can you point to the evidence that he has a commanding lead among minorities? Most of the data I have seen (although admittedly from dastardly corporate media!) suggest he does well with young voters of all ethnicities but struggles with older voters - who despite being less politically astute do have the sense to know their views only come close to counting if they register and vote

Perhaps Biden’s not going to able to limp to South Carolina after his poor showing so far but he is currently in a commanding lead there with Sanders, Steyer and Warren trailing well behind.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - South Carolina Democratic Presidential Primary

RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - South Carolina Democratic Presidential Primary

www.realclearpolitics.com

Nevada is going to be the first test of the actual appeal of the candidates to non white voters - Sanders is currently doing better there and it is a caucus state after all where he has historically been stronger but Biden, at least for now, is ahead although polling has been sparse.

In haste - yes, I meant to say among minorities under 45, and couldn't edit it in time.

He is however leading in many polls overall among Latinos, and is a clear second among African Americans.

For the rest of you, try to remember that electibility is a sword that cuts both ways : )

 

[LinekersLegs]

In haste - yes, I meant to say among minorities under 45, and couldn't edit it in time.

He is however leading in many polls overall among Latinos, and is a clear second among African Americans.

Unfortunately for the Sanders campaign those are all demographics that tend to vote at a lower rate than older white voters. Biden doing so badly is good news for him in the primary as Pete in particular has very little non white support but Bernie will need to improve turnout from Iowa to win both primary and general.

 

[Ruairi77]

I think Pete did well in Iowa due to his midwest appeal.
Biden will do better in NH.
I see NH going Sanders first, then Biden, then a close race between Warren and pete.
There wont be much between the top 4 going in to Super Tuesday on March 3rd but I don't see Pete doing well in that raft of primaries.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

I assume you need to share his view that youth are necessarily more politically astute than their older counterparts. Many jokes depend on everyone believing in the same variety of magical thinking.

Yeah but that’s what I didn’t get... they’re in their mid 30’s...

is that what we’re calling old now?!

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

It's Sanders or bust for his followers. Across the news ticker the other night the were giving answers to the polling or questions asked to the democrats in Iowa and only 7% of his base said they voted for Clinton. Essentially they willfully helped Trump succeed the other 93%. I bet its similar in other states too.

He and his followers are either Democrats or they are not. We don't have to agree necessarily with the person chosen but beating down the establishment never helps. Especially when the other side will just get on with it like they did with Trump. They won with him and are happy to have him even if they don't like him. Hence the issue with everyone else and the GOP now.

We get it Clinton was awful and it was rigged last time but to willfully allow Trump to take office and then complain about him day after day is kind of stupid. Maybe that was Sanders plan. So he could get a shot this time around.

Mad how the rest of us will vote for him if hes chosen and some of us may vote for him in the primaries too. but his supporters are all in and nothing else matters. They are akin to people who abstain. You lose the right to have an opinion on the political situation if you refuse or waste your vote in my opinion.

Sanders supporters that took their ball and stayed home in 2016 are despicable but can be forgiven if they atone for their sins.

Those of them that stay at home in 2020 if he's not the nominee are just as bad as Trump supporters, in my opinion.

Agreed.

That for me applies to any other candidates supporters too from the left. It will never get fixed if they don't support the next guys.

This is what I meant ~10-20 pages back when I said Sanders supporters scare the **** out of me.

Pretty much every time you see supporters of other candidates interviewed or talking online, they almost all say “we want X but if not we’ll vote/work our backsides off for whoever gets the nomination”.

This just isn’t the case for a big chunk of Bernie supporters.

It’s really grim.

 

[sdk]

Yeah but that’s what I didn’t get... they’re in their mid 30’s...

is that what we’re calling old now?!

If so, I'll be needing someone to pre-chew my meals and help me go to the bathroom.

 

[sdk]

this is what worries me about Sanders

"Just something to consider." Yeesh, people have a perfect right to vote for whomever they please or not vote at all, but this smells like someone offering their protection racket services.

Maybe Susan Sarandon will pop back into the news with another avowal that Trump getting another term could be a positive good, as it might cause so much chaos and misery as to push us all into revolutionary consciousness. The old "After Hitler, us" argument that the German communists of the 1930s optimistically asserted in the years just before they got rubbed out by the Nazi regime.

 

[tsubaki]

It's Sanders or bust for his followers. Across the news ticker the other night the were giving answers to the polling or questions asked to the democrats in Iowa and only 7% of his base said they voted for Clinton. Essentially they willfully helped Trump succeed the other 93%. I bet its similar in other states too.

He and his followers are either Democrats or they are not. We don't have to agree necessarily with the person chosen but beating down the establishment never helps. Especially when the other side will just get on with it like they did with Trump. They won with him and are happy to have him even if they don't like him. Hence the issue with everyone else and the GOP now.

We get it Clinton was awful and it was rigged last time but to willfully allow Trump to take office and then complain about him day after day is kind of stupid. Maybe that was Sanders plan. So he could get a shot this time around.

Mad how the rest of us will vote for him if hes chosen and some of us may vote for him in the primaries too. but his supporters are all in and nothing else matters. They are akin to people who abstain. You lose the right to have an opinion on the political situation if you refuse or waste your vote in my opinion.

The problem with this analysis is that it is (or should be at least) abundantly clear that it applies far more the other way around.

Say Bernie does win the nomination; I bet there will be vast flicks of “centrists” or “traditional Democrats” who will come out and tell us all how unelectable he is.