Current Affairs 2020 Democratic Primary

[Death]

Bernie and his fans have disdain for the Democrats and the system in general. Playing the game and getting elected through the Democratic Party is the only way to try and push towards a socialist state without a full scale socialist revolution. Bernie is the only one with true core Marxist values. Of course it’s Bernie or bust if you believe the way he believes. And even though I’m bouncing on the Bernie rod I still have my doubts he can implement a socialist change. I know he’s the right person to try.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

The problem with this analysis is that it is (or should be at least) abundantly clear that it applies far more the other way around.

Say Bernie does win the nomination; I bet there will be vast flicks of “centrists” or “traditional Democrats” who will come out and tell us all how unelectable he is.

Not really.

Anyone but Trump 2020

 

[LinekersLegs]

The problem with this analysis is that it is (or should be at least) abundantly clear that it applies far more the other way around.

Say Bernie does win the nomination; I bet there will be vast flicks of “centrists” or “traditional Democrats” who will come out and tell us all how unelectable he is.

I think many will express their concern about how how electable he is yes, but that could well be based on actual conversations with friends/family. I certainly have had older voters here in deep blue California say they just don’t think that the country as a whole will vote for a someone so far to the left and that they themselves have strong reservations about his policies, temperament, age and health.

However if Sanders is the candidate they will all vote for him in the hope (but without the expectation) that they are wrong and that he can beat Trump.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Iowa was already a daft choice as first Democratic primary given its unrepresentative makeup but the fact they don’t seem to be able to hold a competent vote should strip them of the position in 2024

 

[Ruairi77]

Iowa was already a daft choice as first Democratic primary given its unrepresentative makeup but the fact they don’t seem to be able to hold a competent vote should strip them of the position in 2024

we hold the General election on one day, just hold all the primaries on one day and scrap caucuses. Oh, and make that day a Saturday.

 

[SteveSC]

The problem with this analysis is that it is (or should be at least) abundantly clear that it applies far more the other way around.

Say Bernie does win the nomination; I bet there will be vast flicks of “centrists” or “traditional Democrats” who will come out and tell us all how unelectable he is.

This simply isnt true.

The left wants Trump out.

If it takes Bernie and he is chosen then people will vote for him.

The sampling data and polls even from the last election made it clear that overall the left will vote for the person chosen to run.

His supporters on the other hand have been vocally clear about bernie or bust.

Thing is many off Bernie's ideas will be tough to pass. So people will see past his socialist ideas and live in the hope that if elected he will work with democrats to fix things. If he wins that's exactly what he will need to do. Just like the GOP supporting Trump despite their obvious dislike for the guy.

It goes back to the principle that once we win We are all in on that guy.

 

[LinekersLegs]

we hold the General election on one day, just hold all the primaries on one day and scrap caucuses. Oh, and make that day a Saturday.

I am sympathetic to the idea of staggering the primaries - it means the less well known/less well funded candidates can build up awareness and momentum. With a mega “super Tuesday” someone with wealth like Bloomberg or party sway like Clinton would have a huge advantage over an Obama-like candidate for instance.

Caucuses are meant to do the same thing, provide some advantages to smaller campaigns with dedicated supporters that direct voting would not but I just find them so flawed (the coin tosses, time/attendance requirements that exclude significant demographics of people etc, weird counting) that I don’t see the benefits outweigh the advantages.

 

[Ruairi77]

I am sympathetic to the idea of staggering the primaries - it means the less well known/less well funded candidates can build up awareness and momentum. With a mega “super Tuesday” someone with wealth like Bloomberg or party sway like Clinton would have a huge advantage over an Obama-like candidate for instance.

Caucuses are meant to do the same thing, provide some advantages to smaller campaigns with dedicated supporters that direct voting would not but I just find them so flawed (the coin tosses, time/attendance requirements that exclude significant demographics of people etc, weird counting) that I don’t see the benefits outweigh the advantages.

maybe you're right on staggered primaries,
Caucuses are a mess tho.
Check this out. 4chan trumpers were intentionally clogging the IDC phone lines
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/securi...online-encouragement-disrupt-results-n1131521

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

I am sympathetic to the idea of staggering the primaries - it means the less well known/less well funded candidates can build up awareness and momentum. With a mega “super Tuesday” someone with wealth like Bloomberg or party sway like Clinton would have a huge advantage over an Obama-like candidate for instance.

Caucuses are meant to do the same thing, provide some advantages to smaller campaigns with dedicated supporters that direct voting would not but I just find them so flawed (the coin tosses, time/attendance requirements that exclude significant demographics of people etc, weird counting) that I don’t see the benefits outweigh the advantages.

Yeah, I can see the logic behind staggered primaries, for sure

 

[tsubaki]

Not really.

Anyone but Trump 2020

This simply isnt true.

The left wants Trump out.

If it takes Bernie and he is chosen then people will vote for him.

The sampling data and polls even from the last election made it clear that overall the left will vote for the person chosen to run.

His supporters on the other hand have been vocally clear about bernie or bust.

Thing is many off Bernie's ideas will be tough to pass. So people will see past his socialist ideas and live in the hope that if elected he will work with democrats to fix things. If he wins that's exactly what he will need to do. Just like the GOP supporting Trump despite their obvious dislike for the guy.

It goes back to the principle that once we win We are all in on that guy.

Having just lived through the past five years of politics over here, I hope you are right but I am really sure that you won’t be.

 

[Ruairi77]

Having just lived through the past five years of politics over here, I hope you are right but I am really sure that you won’t be.

I think a lot of people will vote for bernie but I also think a huge part of the country will be sick to the back teeth of loud populist outsiders promising the sun, moon, and stars.
It's a bitter pill to have to swallow, voting for bernie when you see the 'bernie or bust' movement. But maybe the medicine is not supposed to taste good.

 

[SteveSC]

Having just lived through the past five years of politics over here, I hope you are right but I am really sure that you won’t be.

You will always get people who wont vote for him. But it's a matter of numbers.

The other day a few pages back I mentioned the ticker where it said only 7% of his folk voted for Clinton in 2016. That's shocking.

When they asked another question about how many who support other candidate of those asked the percentages were up over 50 and 60 percent. Sanders supporters where less than 20

You are right some won't but overall I believe that most progressives will vote again for the candidate of choice. Just look at how many still voted for Clinton despite how many of us despise her.

His supporters are Bernie or bust. Most other democrats are willing to vote for others especially if it means the progressive ideals get put forth.

Here is the thing also. Many of ideas Bernie has spoken about non Bernie or tolerant supporters also want in some degree.

Like I said normal intelligent people see Bernie would have to would with his side of the isle if elected and most know that. Hes rational and smart unlike trump who has turned the GOP into a bunch of lickarses

 

[Tramps_mate]

Americans, please do yourselves and the entire world a favour and vote Bernie in... Its a shame he's 78 (I think) and you couldn't make him President for life.

 

[sdk]

South Carolina has open primaries, so you can vote in either the Dem or GOP primary regardless of your own affiliation.

So a group of SC Republican leaders are trying to get GOP voters to vote for Sanders in the Dem primary there, seeing Bernie as the candidate Trump would have the easiest time beating.

https://www.postandcourier.com/poli...cle_f1e7abd2-4788-11ea-aa9f-33a1d262994c.html

 

[Ruairi77]

cool,
If Bernie wins the popular vote but not the electoral college, will he declare himself president?