Current Affairs 2020 Democratic Primary

[Death]

Feel the Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrnnnn

 

[Ruairi77]

Because of what a Sanders win represents - a loss of control over "their" party. Don't forget these are people who in the main rely upon for a living and define themselves by their politics, so having someone from outside coming in and challenging that position is much more of an issue to them than Trump (or any GOP candidate) winning an election. They survived 2016, but a lot of them think that they wouldn't survive losing control of the party.

Of course the horrible truth is that they are so bad that they really need removing - I mean, who on earth would come out of 2016 with all its talk of hacking and political interference, have three years now of talk of hacking and political interference and then in one of its most significant primaries of the year rely on a brand new app to collect and verify the data?

Firstly, can you blame them for fearing loss of control of their party. Sanders is an independent.
Look how Trump just waltzed in and took over the GOP.
Secondly, it's easy to say that they fear Sanders more than Trump, but I don't think it's accurate.
Thirdly, the democrats came out of 2016 and swept the boards in the house elections in 2018. Not the Sanders alligned factions but the DNC.
Funny, there was no conspiracy theory nonsense in 2018 but it's all back again now.

 

[Huyton Layne]

That homophobe lady sounds like the wicked witch of the west

 

[canuckblue]

Because of what a Sanders win represents - a loss of control over "their" party. Don't forget these are people who in the main rely upon for a living and define themselves by their politics, so having someone from outside coming in and challenging that position is much more of an issue to them than Trump (or any GOP candidate) winning an election. They survived 2016, but a lot of them think that they wouldn't survive losing control of the party.

Of course the horrible truth is that they are so bad that they really need removing - I mean, who on earth would come out of 2016 with all its talk of hacking and political interference, have three years now of talk of hacking and political interference and then in one of its most significant primaries of the year rely on a brand new app to collect and verify the data?

Thank you.

 

[tsubaki]

Firstly, can you blame them for fearing loss of control of their party. Sanders is an independent.
Look how Trump just waltzed in and took over the GOP.
Secondly, it's easy to say that they fear Sanders more than Trump, but I don't think it's accurate.
Thirdly, the democrats came out of 2016 and swept the boards in the house elections in 2018. Not the Sanders alligned factions but the DNC.
Funny, there was no conspiracy theory nonsense in 2018 but it's all back again now.

The problem is though that Sanders wouldn't come anywhere near that nomination if they had actual, plausible candidates. That is meant to be one of the two great parties of US politics and the one that actually prided itself on its social responsibility, modernity and general competence - a nearly 80 year old socalist should not be able to waltz in and take it over.

2016 should have been a wakeup call but they have remained resolutely asleep, as the GOP were when they reacted to two defeats by assembling a parade of kooks that Trump really did stand out against. The Democrats don't even have someone that stands out this time around.

 

[Ruairi77]

The problem is though that Sanders wouldn't come anywhere near that nomination if they had actual, plausible candidates. That is meant to be one of the two great parties of US politics and the one that actually prided itself on its social responsibility, modernity and general competence - a nearly 80 year old socalist should not be able to waltz in and take it over.

of course he could. It's the digital age, the age of populism where people hear what they want to hear and disregard the rest.
Look at HRCs record, it's the record that would have walked the presidency pre internet sensationalism.
The field is not great now but it's far from terrible. Booker, Klobishar, Warren, Harris all popular senators who meet the standards for nomination.
But we live in an age of big promises based on very little, throw in a clever social media campaign and hey presto, an independent who's never really played well with others is top of the heap.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

Firstly, can you blame them for fearing loss of control of their party. Sanders is an independent.
Look how Trump just waltzed in and took over the GOP.
Secondly, it's easy to say that they fear Sanders more than Trump, but I don't think it's accurate.
Thirdly, the democrats came out of 2016 and swept the boards in the house elections in 2018. Not the Sanders alligned factions but the DNC.
Funny, there was no conspiracy theory nonsense in 2018 but it's all back again now.

Sanders wouldn't have fought the way he did if DNC had some common sense and did not rally behind the least liked and most corrupt candidate, like ever. Most of the hopefuls in Dem primaries atm would have beaten Trump back then

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

of course he could. It's the digital age, the age of populism where people hear what they want to hear and disregard the rest.
Look at HRCs record, it's the record that would have walked the presidency pre internet sensationalism.
The field is not great now but it's far from terrible. Booker, Klobishar, Warren, Harris all popular senators who meet the standards for nomination.
But we live in an age of big promises based on very little, throw in a clever social media campaign and hey presto, an independent who's never really played well with others is top of the heap.

Yet Booker and Harris were bounced early. I have to agree with @tsubaki we really should have an "Obama-like" person to get behind right now, but instead we have an 80 year old socialist, a life long politician who can't string 2 sentences together, and a mayor of a mid-size town. There are only two that are currently hanging around that should given serious consideration, but one of them has the charisma of a lamp post.

So it's really just Warren then. And this is why, on top of ego, a guy like Bloomberg can sit back and say, ah what the hell, I've got two live cards in this family pot, deal me in.

I really liked Harris. I guess she had some smoking guns in her past as a DA but who cares. She was obviously intelligent, which has been so sorely lacking the last 3 years.

Honestly I don't know why the DNC doesn't just throw all their weight behind Adam Schiff and just command him to run, b/c no one is gonna be riding as high as he is right now among people that hate Trump and his ilk and will bring us back to governance by adulting.

 

[tsubaki]

of course he could. It's the digital age, the age of populism where people hear what they want to hear and disregard the rest.
Look at HRCs record, it's the record that would have walked the presidency pre internet sensationalism.
The field is not great now but it's far from terrible. Booker, Klobishar, Warren, Harris all popular senators who meet the standards for nomination.
But we live in an age of big promises based on very little, throw in a clever social media campaign and hey presto, an independent who's never really played well with others is top of the heap.

“Walked the presidency”? She was at best an average senator and a failure as Secretary of State. Going around saying she’d be the most qualified person to ever be elected as President was a terrible argument, on the grounds that it was so obviously wrong.

Sanders is up there not because of internet populism but because an awful lot of the social contract between the state and its citizens that people believe existed (and did in many cases) - work hard and you’ll get on, your kids will be better educated and have a better life than you, there will be positive social change etc - is clearly not happening.

 

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[LinekersLegs]

Caucuses already seemed archaic, this farce just highlights some of their weaknesses.

 

[DanEFC92]

 

[Huyton Layne]

Does anyone think a gay guy can win the South? I'm worried enough about a woman and a Jewish fella getting votes.

 

[wm02]

Caucuses already seemed archaic, this farce just highlights some of their weaknesses.

Tend to believe that the decision to just release partial results was a mistake as well. If the results are so delayed anyway, why not just wait until all precincts are in and accounted for?

 

[carolinablue232]

How can a “potential” failure also be inevitable?