Sanders or Warren pls
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BirkenheadBlue
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seeing some stuff saying it’s close between the top 3, with Biden a distant 4th.
Bad news for Biden if true - he was having enough trouble raising money as it was, and such a poor showing will dent that even further.
Big night for Buttigieg, especially if Biden ends up having to drop out
Bad news for Biden if true - he was having enough trouble raising money as it was, and such a poor showing will dent that even further.
Big night for Buttigieg, especially if Biden ends up having to drop out
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Such a daft system.
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Daft country.
abelard
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It's certainly true that no real healthcare plans will pass unless the Dems control both houses, and even then it's a stretch.
But that is not really the point of Sanders' Medicare For All, which functions far more as a rallying cry to motivate and organise a broad-based movement.
It is effective in this regard because it is fiscally and morally obvious, and it appeals to poor Republicans, independents, low-information voters, non-voters, ethnic minorities, the 'white working class' of legend, anyone under 45... basically, to everyone other than millionaires, white seniors, and a political/media class which is paid to be useless by the insurance cartel.
It is a simple, easily understandable chorus that resonates with voters of all stripes - something Labour will do well to absorb in the years to come.
And its function is a campaign promise than a medium-term political strategy (which the Dems all but abandoned under Obama), and a battering ram for clearing blockages like Hillary Clinton or Joe Crowley.
Not a fool-proof approach, to be sure, but it is an infinitely more realistic theory of change than the already-failed alternatives that Sanders' rivals trot out: co-operating with Mitch McConnell, or sticking a think tank's worth of smart and credentialed insiders into a room and waiting for alchemy to save us.
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@abelard
I asked a variation of this question a couple of days ago, but you didn't answer. I'll rephrase slightly and try again.
You are clearly a dyed in the wool Sanders supporter, and that's obviously absolutely fine - I myself like the vast majority of his policies, though I'm not 100% convinced that he's the right messenger for it. He'd probably be my second choice for President out of the available candidates - though I'm not sure he'd be that high in my preference for NOMINEE.
My question is this (and yes, I know you don't get a vote. This is hypothetical)
If Sanders didn't win the nomination, how would you vote in the General?
I asked a variation of this question a couple of days ago, but you didn't answer. I'll rephrase slightly and try again.
You are clearly a dyed in the wool Sanders supporter, and that's obviously absolutely fine - I myself like the vast majority of his policies, though I'm not 100% convinced that he's the right messenger for it. He'd probably be my second choice for President out of the available candidates - though I'm not sure he'd be that high in my preference for NOMINEE.
My question is this (and yes, I know you don't get a vote. This is hypothetical)
If Sanders didn't win the nomination, how would you vote in the General?
Another dumpster fire in Iowa. This happens every cycle
Bloomberg rubbing his hands with glee after that mess.
If Sanders gets the nom, expect him to run as a third party candidate.
If Sanders gets the nom, expect him to run as a third party candidate.
Yeah, the big winner from last night is Bloomberg for sure.
And if Sanders wins the nom, and maybe even possibly Warren, I could seriously see Bloomberg running as an independent. On the one hand that would be terrible for Democrats, but I could also see him taking a lot of votes from the non-deplorable center right electorate that recognizes Trump is a disaster as a human being, but can't bring themselves to vote Democrat
yup, although if Warren gets the nom, I can see her getting the enthusiastic support of the Obamas and possibly Pelosi now that she's dialed back her medicare for all plan. I'm not sure he goes up against the whole dem operation.
This wouldn't be the case for Sanders.
I could see a lot of Democrats endorsing Bloomberg as an independent as opposed to Sanders whose, essentially, also independent.
Either way, Trump is hitting his highest approval rating, the task of replacing him only grows harder.
If he does, he needs to go full Ross Perot with half-hour ads with charts and his “voodoo stick”
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This is probably true, though unfortunately he is the only messenger - otherwise he would not be running.
On the other hand, his record in public life is near-immaculate, and he is as uncorruptible as anyone in Western politics today, and probably for decades prior.
This is why he is by far the most popular contender; why he has the biggest and most committed base (only Warren even comes close and she is a very distant second); and why he appeals in a way that no one else can to Obama-Obama-Trump voters, Rust Belt voters, Independents, low- information voters and habitual non-voters - exactly who the Party needs to defeat Trump.
It is also why so many voters trust him on something as transformative as Medicare for All - and trust is the most precious asset of all in politics, as Labour has been reminded.
The DNC has not spent the past four years trying to undermine him because they think he will lose, but because they are afraid he will win.[/QUOTE]
It depends on the candidate, how they won, and where I lived, and events between then and now, but in many instances I would probably vote Democrat.
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